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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #333 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 03:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi David,

At the present time, I'm leading towards Catharine giving birth to Thomas McNally outside of VDL and thus not arriving in VDL until shortly after the 1822 muster ...  to me, that's the most logical reason she's not found on that 1822 Muster.   

I don't think she was avoiding that muster, rather I think she was simply not in the colony...   

Yes, of course, and thanks for your patience and understanding,  I'm  really suggesting that the baptismal record needs investigating for the dates, (could be baptism was 1829)  could be that Catharine needed to prove that Thomas McNally was "her" son in the lead up to marrying Fred ... after all, both she and Thomas were beneficiaries of Thomas Ransom's will, and perhaps Fred was a lot more familiar with "property" rights and may have thought he (Fred) would become the owner of both Catharines AND ALSO Thomas' inheritance  ;D.  Could be Catharine was protecting "her" son....

Alas, there's no mention of Ann in that will ..., nor of the status of any relationship between Thomas Ransom and Catharine ....  so far the only reference I can find to any relationship is simply of a remark in a paragraph on the Australian Dictionary of Biography.... which seems to be drawn from secondary sources anyway...

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #334 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 04:09 GMT (UK) »
The Morrison famly need to followed up and one wonders if there was a link between Ransom and Morrison back in England.

Like Wiggy I believe if C.C. McNally is not a convict because had she been a convict lass she would have been accounted for, from her sentence through to her demise.

So we are left with possible origins:
1) Free settler as a single woman, widow or a daughter. (?Carribean fit here)
2) Soldier/marine's abandoned wife, widow, daughter. (Carribean story would fit)
3) Camp follower (unlikely due to her good reputation in VDL) (Carribean story would fit)
4) Government official's abandonded wife. (unlikely  it woul dhave been in the papers)
5) Colonial born convict's child.
6) Ransom's daughter or step daughter. (Carribean story would possibly fit)

It says a lot about social attitudes of the times that free women were so often recorded merely as "Mrs So and So" or "and wife".

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At the present time, I'm leading towards Catharine giving birth to Thomas McNally outside of VDL and thus not arriving in VDL until shortly after the 1822 muster ...  to me, that's the most logical reason she's not found on that 1822 Muster. 
Fits all the above.

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I thought Wiggy had sighted the baptismal regisration and it was in 1820 not 1829? Need her to advice on this point.
Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #335 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 04:13 GMT (UK) »
Catherine Morrison-

WO 97/1140B  Veterans Miscellaneous
ARCHIBALD MORRISON
Born INVERNESS, Inverness-shire
Served in 42nd Foot Regiment; 73rd Foot Regiment; New South Wales Veterans; 2nd Royal Veteran Battalion
Discharged aged 52
Covering dates
1778-1809


Kate born 1793 to Archibald and Christiana Morrisson in Sydney, nee Chisholm 1772 Kirkhill Inverness, married 26/11/1790 at Inverness.

He returned to England 1809- if Kate is our girl, she stayed. I think that I have trawled the 1811/1814 musters , but can't put hand on my notes at the moment. Couldn't find an obvious Tasmanian link for her but she is certainly a person of interest

Morrison Bay in Sydney named after Arch, who had grant there.

David



Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #336 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 04:17 GMT (UK) »
The only likely link between Ransom and Arch Morrison would be if Morrison did a spell of duty on Norfolk Island. Interesting thought
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820


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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #337 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 04:23 GMT (UK) »
Re MORRISON,

Don't overlook the other girls born in NSW to Archibald and Christina...

1795, Mary; 1798 Margaret; 1801 Catherine

Robyn's points are all valid too  ;D

Also, David, the 73rd Foot returned to NSW/VDL for a further tour of duty .... it replaced the 48th in stages from 1821, and 1824 .... ... I guess I'd better do that re-read of Clem Sargent's book about the 48th (seven of my forebears are mentioned in that book  ;D)

Cheers,

JM

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #338 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 04:39 GMT (UK) »
Interesting date for the return of the regiment, but if Morrison had taken his discharge in 1809 he is unlikely to have come back.

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #339 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 04:44 GMT (UK) »
 ;D
Agree, Robyn, but just wondering if there was a McNally in the regiment when one section left Deptford in 1822 direct for Hobart  ;D

Cheers,  JM

 
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #340 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 05:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Moi again  ;D

IGI extracted (ie based on a volunteer transcribing parish records) ... 1 (modifying, Moi typo, its actually 2) October 1801 christening date (without noting birth date though)... Cathrine Morrison, daughter of Archibald and Christina  ;D   NSW C of E ....

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #341 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 05:06 GMT (UK) »


;D
Agree, Robyn, but just wondering if there was a McNally in the regiment when one section left Deptford in 1822 direct for Hobart  ;D

Cheers,  JM

 

thought had crossed my mind too

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
&
Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany