Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[Cathy48]

To answer David's questions: I don't have a marriage date for William Cummings and Ann Oates. Just that she was born about 1760 in the Isle of Mann and that their son James John was christened there in 1788. William and Ann arrived in Sydney on the ship "Queen" in 1791, but there is no record of their child on board.

[regross]

Well,

Who ever suggested that McNally returned? Cummings wouldn't have wanted him back if he had absconded with Ann, so may be he just took off. Catharine would not want to stay with Ann if she was the woman who ran off with her husband either and prhaps took refuge with Ransom.

We know very little about McNally or when he died. perhaps 1829?

That would be to good to be true perhaps he had been gone for 7 years by then and Catharine felt that that removed the impediment to a marriage?

Robyn

[Cathy48]

David,

Thanks also for the Cummings info, everything helps in trying to piece together the story. 

Cathy

[majm]

Umm,

Having just been driven several hundred kms, I had time to think .... so Guess who I was thinking about...  (have several hundred kms more tomorrow, but I will be the driver, so won't be thinking of Catharine Nally, Mc...)

Umm, in NSW in Feb 1829 a Patrick M-Nally was dismissed (Police Constable) for improper conduct...  http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2191874?searchTerm=%22nally%22

Obviously I haven't yet figured out IF this chap fits into the picture, but FEB 1829 .... perhaps ....

JM

[majm]

Hi all,

On TAO I can find index reference for Ann Ransom (possible daughter of Thomas Ransom and Catharine McNally) circa 1817 - 1892 (marriage 1840 to Francis Walter Von Stieglitz (brother of Catharine McNally's husband marriage 1830)

BUT
I cannot find an index reference for Thomas Ransom Junior (probable son of Thomas Ransom and Catharine McNally)... I can find Thomas Ransom born 1852, but not the lad born 1820...   

Probably the issues that arose after Catharine's death in the 1850's over the return to Thomas Ransom of his inherited property from the property of Frederick Von Stieglitz may explain this apparent lack of submitted records...

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8

JM

[davclem]

Quite right, Robyn, a totally insensitive and thoughtless scenario, conceived in haste and excitement at your new slant-

 So, Ann returns to John Cummings, John McNally can't return to Launceston and does a bunk from Hobart, and Catherine McNally leaves when Ann Cummings returns and she ends up in Hobart with Thomas Ransom, initially working for him, but quickly developing a partnership relationship. In due course they adopt an orphan child born in 1818 as a companion for young Thomas. David

[regross]

Dave:

Well it, like many other hypothises, can fit the known data. Doesn't make it right of course. 

JM: wiggy has actually seen the original baptism which has Catharine as singLe.

I have record of Thomas's baptism - born 14th November - baptism 18th December 1820.

Robyn

[majm]

Hi all,

  (quoting Wiggy )

I have record of Thomas's baptism - born 14th November - baptism 18th December 1820.

Umm, I thought it just did not name a father .... did not realise the record actually indicated that Catharine was single,  sorry, my mistooken      must be the long drive ...  From all the pages on these threads I had thought that  Catharine's marital status for that birth was still not resolved...  I thought the child was baptised Thomas McNally... sorry... didn't realise he was baptised as Thomas Ransom...  I thought that was perhaps the crux of these threads 

Errrrrrrrr, So who was C N in that brand on Mrs Ransom's steer      - the stayed cattle in the newspaper advert of 25 Dec 1829, which was of course not just Christmas Day, but just at the time that Catharine Mc Nally would be preparing to marry Frederick Von Stieglitz ....

JM

[regross]

JM.

child wa baptised as Thomas McNally and is on here: http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8  born 1820 no 390218 no parents names given. 

from wiggy this thread page 4 #58

Yes Robyn,  I've seen the baptismal record for Thomas in 1820 to Catharine 'unmarried' and no father's name.  Not a huge help really - that's what I went for first when in Hobart last!

Been a long day

Robyn