Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[majm]

She's there somewhere.... 

1820 VDL General Musters regulations included the following for Females :

At all these Musters the Free Women, as well those who come Free to this Colony, as those who are Free by Absolute or Conditional Pardon and by Expiration of Sentence are to give in the Names and Ages of their Children... All Female Prisoners are also to give in the Names and Ages of their Children

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/658297?searchTerm=%22general+muster%22 

If I had been Catharine I would have attended... I would have obeyed the "positive orders" of the Governor !!!

JM 

[majm]

Bit More,

1820, Thomas Ransom's farm was operational at Green Ponds by July 1820, as per his and his neighbour's advertisements re tresspassers

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/658046?searchTerm=%22ransom%22

Cheers,

JM

[majm]

Found something very interesting it links T R to C N and to Mrs Ransom...

Straying Cattle at Cross Marsh (A Bent)  ....  18 &  25 December 1829

One large brown Steer, branded C.N. belonging to Mrs Ransom

One dark brown cow and calf branded T R belonging to Mrs Ransom

Catharine NALLY, Mc  = C.N.

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8644760?searchTerm=%22mrs+ransom%22

JM

[regross]

Hi all
rereading and thinking:

The only evidence we have placing Catharine McNally in VDL before 1820 is the supposed birth of Ann Ransom ther  c 1815-1819.   All agree?

The first hard evidence is the birth of Thomas MCNally in 1820   All agree?

There  has been discussion on the lines that Ann is in fact an adopted daughter of Catharine.   all agree?

So she should be on the 1820 muster as should Thomas.  all agree?

There is the theory we had that she is one of the Catharines/ Catherines/Katharines on the muster which is if our research is correct this most unlikely.   all agree

That is unless she arrived AFTER the muster in October or unless she was absent from VDL at the time on board a vessel at sea or back in PJ,

comments please

Robyn

[majm]

I agree, and note that for the 1820 General Muster she may well have been around 8 1/2 months along with Thomas Junior 

JM

[majm]

So,

Catharine  N

umm 1820 Catherine NEAL ex Canada... tried at Dublin in 1816, 7 years
BUT 1823 Catharine NEALE ex Canada was noted as an alias, Heskey

Cheers,

JM

[regross]

well,

Re Catharine wife of John MC Nally:

Catharine is presumed to have left John in about 1818.  He seems to disappear from VDL, but John Jnr shows up in Sydney 1822 muster with another woman Ann Clemens.   (Has John gone off sealing again - he is listed somewhere as seaman.)

Catharine may well have gone sealing/whaling tor visiitng Hobart leaving the child behind in 1818 ?  Then John Junior in PJ with Ann Clemmens in 1822 could she (Ann) have been running away with John McNally and taken the child and vanished from Hobart. When Catharine returned they were both gone.

Certainly  if she had been around as John McNally's wife and he had run off with Ann Clemmens she could well be described as not being able to do anything about her impediment.

just thinking mind you.

RObyn

[majm]

Hi all,

Robyn's scenerio that shows a possible, perhaps a likely,  impediment for Catharine Nally, Mc....   

I have some family matters to attend to, so could be several days before I'm back helping with this search....

I give you ALL my permission      to find Catharine for Wiggy before I'm back... 

Cheers,

JM

[davclem]

Robyn, love the cow find!

1 If we assume that Thomas and Catherine are the "item" that the 1825 newspaper hypocritical ferret article describes, and that Thomas at his age is hardly likely to be being a de facto bigamist, and given Karl Von Stiegltz identification of Mr and Mrs Ransom as the household to which Brady was assigned in mid 1820, I think it is safe to assume that Catherine is the "wife" of Thomas Ransom listed in the October 1819 Land and Stock Muster in Hobart. So she was there in October 1819, but does not appear as McNally in the 1818 Muster of Free women in Hobart. Hobart was a very small town and population in 1818- they all knew each other- she couldn't have been there for long under a different name and changed it toMcNally when she moved in with Thomas Ransom-she was new to Hobart under the name McNally and registered young Thomas as McNally in 1820, but then gradually morphed ntoand known as Mrs Ransom, until she reappears as McNally in Thomas Will in 1829, and subsequently marries Stieglitz as Mcnally in 1830. She was either born McNally or married or cohabited with a  McNally

2 It is possible that Skelton and John Cummings knew each other before VDL times. Cummings served in 8th West India Regiment in Dominica concurrently with Skeltons Regiment the 46th Regiment of foot, the South Devonshires. Both regiments were involved in supressing the same rebellion and mutiny together- a small military world. Skelton seems an unimportant cog, and he enters left and dissappears right very quickly. I don't get the feel that he is a significant factor in Ann Cummings life- he is only referred to in Launceston terms,and Ann could not have absconded in Launceston. Also Ann need not have absconded for love interest, even if she might have found it in Hobart,but simply because she had gone off John Cummings.
I got thrown by the suggestion Ann Cummings absconded with John Mcnally! Now that demands a rethink- leaves Mrs McNally (catherine) back in Launceston with Capt Cummings, looking for their other halves together,Catherine looking after the kids,John Cummings goes toHobart,finds the runaways, gets Ann to return, John Mcnally returns too but Catherine walks out, goes to Hobart and meets up with Thomas Ransom-the last bit doesn't ring true.

Ever onwards- David