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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #153 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:20 BST (UK) »
I've stopped.... and I'm listening...

Umm, and I can find Thomas in 1819 Muster, but no mention of any wife on the image I am looking at...

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JM

MODIFY TO NOTE IT WAS 1820 MUSTER
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #154 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:22 BST (UK) »
Hi,

have still been following all the posts here, it has become a bit addictive, especially when the odd reference to the Cummings family gets thrown in, but have  become interested in your Catherine as well!

I can confirm that Captain John's brother William also married an Ann who died in 1811.  Also the 1819 muster of Land Holders at Port Dalrymple shows that John Cummings had 200 acres and had a wife and three children. It lists the children as George aged 14, James aged 12 and Ellen aged 10.
No mention of Phillip who was born in 1818- but I have Phillip's marriage certificate in which he names John Cummings and Ann Boyton as his parents.

I am still waiting on my distant cousin who has a lot of information about the Cummings family in Australia from 1800 onwards, as soon as I hear I will post anything that may help.

Found a newspaper article in the Sydney Gazette 1817 stating that John Cummings, by an early opportunity, was returning to VDL with Henry Rio his servant.

Something I did find confusing was another newspaper item in 1820 about Ann Cummings just after her death:

George Town  10th August, 1820 public notice –
Whereas Lieutenant SKELTON  of His majesty’s 46th Regiment, did by his Power of Attorney, and duly executed, bearing Date the 29th Day of April, 1818,  nominate and appoint Mrs. Ann Cummings his true and lawful Attorney, for him and in his Name and in his Behalf, and at the same time put into her charge 800 Head of Sheep, and a Number of Horned Cattle, the Property of the said Lieutenant Skelton.

Whereas said Power of Attorney contained a clause authorizing and empowering said Ann Cummings to nominate, constitute and appoint any Person she might think proper to act for him, the said Lieut. Skelton, in the Care and Management of said 800 Sheep and said Horned Cattle

Whereas in Pursuance and by Virtue of said Clause, the said Ann Cumming did, under her Hand and Seal, bearing Date the 5th of April, 1819, nominate constitute, and appoint me, JACOB MOUNTGARRETT, of Port Dalrymple aforesaid, Surgeon, a just and lawful Attorney, in the premises, for and on Behalf of the said Lieut. Skelton, concerning 800 Head of Sheep and said Horned Cattle.

And whereas the said Ann Cummings suddenly met her Death, without revoking said last mentioned Power of Attorney.

Now this is to caution the Public in general against bargaining dealing, or bartering for the Whole or any Part of said 800 Head of Sheep or Horned Cattle, with any Person or Persons whatever, as the same are the sole and bona-fide Property of the said Lieut. Skelton; and any Person or Persons found doing so, after this Notice, will be prosecuted as the Law directs JACOB MOUNTGARRETT.

Agent for the said

Lieutenant SKILTON

Not sure how this fits in with any separation from her husband?

Cathy


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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #155 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:27 BST (UK) »
Cathy

WOW :-* Well now we think we might know who she ran away with!!

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #156 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Cathy,

Umm, I'm still trying to figure out which of the TWO Mrs Cummings (both named Ann) who died in Tasmania in 1820 was the wife of the other Mr John Cummings in Tasmania.  One had three children, one had two children....  One was estranged from her husband... 

Remembering that a Mr John Cummings and family etc left Sydney NSW for Tasmania with contracted employees, with surname McNally....in (from memory only) 1817  ;D

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #157 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:28 BST (UK) »
Yes we found that one too Cathy - It is a bit of a mystery isn't it?  Can't shed any light on it - the others may be able to do so though.

I got all excited when you told us about Philip being a bit questionable - I.E. you had doubts - I had wonderful thoughts that Philip may in fact have been Ann (??!)- but then Philip gets a guernsey later - so that didn't hold water.  Pity - could have solved many problems!

In 1816 JM

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #158 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:33 BST (UK) »
Umm,

VDL 1820 General Muster

There's a Thomas Ransom (ALONE, mind you) sighted by MOI on an image of that muster on Ances*** ...... this Thomas was tried in London, 1781.... transported on Scarboro under Capt Marshall, and as FREE by PARDON, and a settler... (not a publican, a S E T T L E R ....)

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not sighted her....
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #159 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:44 BST (UK) »
And,

the newspapers online is doing a major upgrade - perhaps loading up MORE newspapers for Wiggy and MOI to read...
Due to a major upgrade, all the Library's computer systems, including reading room computers will be unavailable from 5pm Sat 17 October to 6am Sun 18 October.

But back to Bridget and Winifred MCNALLY on the CANADA - the 1817 trip  Bridget was 47 and Winfred was 40 .... umm bit too old to be swapping identities with Catharine MCNALLY....

Cheers,

JM
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #160 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:49 BST (UK) »
There are 2 Ann Cummings both married to John Cummings and both died in 1820? I only know that the article I just posted was the Ann married to Captain Cummings as it gives her date of death.....

As to which couple employed the McNally's?

I haven't ever come across a second Ann Cummings with 2 children, though this Ann only had 2 of her children with her when she drowned, but had 4 in total.

Cathy

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #161 on: Saturday 17 October 09 08:51 BST (UK) »
John Cummings Snr's wife was Elizabeth - so the Ann who died in 1820 is Joh cummings Jnr's wife - we think - that's right isn't it Cathy?   J C Snr lived at Hobart end of the island and died in hospital in 1825.   Haven't sighted his wife - Cathy may know about her.   Right?? I shouldn't be telling your family Cathy - you will have it more accurately than I do.    Just trying to un-confuse JM!    I've only seen one Ann Cummings dying in 1820 - where is the second one JM?

I gave Winifred and Briget a very thorough going over when last in the Library - they are non starters!

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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