Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[regross]

Hi all

Dave: you are most probably correct which leaves us with Ctharine Wood to chase up.

round and round and roundwe go again

Robyn

[davclem]

Robyn,
apart from the assumption that the wife of Thomas Ransom in the October 1819 muster was Catherine, or else he was a serial septugenarian bigamist, and the reference by Karl Von Stieglitz to Matthew Brady being assigned to Mr and Mrs Ransom in mid-late 1820, there nis no record of Thomas and Catherine as a couple, but in 1820 Thomas only had land in Hobart ( Murray Street) and didn't get his land at Green Ponds until well after 1820 and at Killymoon even later. Nevertheless, I suppose we don't write off catherine Woods without evidence

David

[davclem]

I wouldn't say "probably", I think on the evidence it may rate as "most likely", as otherwise we have to assume Willam Newman dropped dead after the muster, Thomas Ransom kicked out the woman he claimed as his wife in the same muster, and moved in the widow Newman with her two children, and got her to change her name ,which was previously Geren, Garen or Goran,  to McNally . A possibility I suppose,  one of the children could be Ann, and the other one could have died, before being replaced with Thomas born in 1820 . Definitely a scenario to be considered.
David

[majm]

Umm,

Sighting of Catharine McNally but known as Mrs Ransom ... brief mention of her on this website
 Its about The Bushranger-Matthew Brady, hanged May 4, 1826, and ladies wept and flowers were thrown
.....Matthew Brady was 21 when transported from England for forgery. Brady was assigned as a servant to Mrs. Ransom of the Crossmarsh Inn, who spoke of him being sober and industrious.  Other ladies of the district also had high opinions of young Matthew, in which the word 'industrious' has other connotations. The truth is that Matty was in fact a gentleman of sorts, who stuck to his code of honour and decency. A contemporary described him as 'a leader of men, and a conqueror of women'.


http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_history_and_culture/116456

cheers,

NOTING he was assigned to Mrs Ransom.....  now WHERE to find the assignment records, cause hopefully that will help find Mrs Ransom !!!

JM

[Wiggy]

Well I don't know about that  - but Thomas and Catharine were running a couple of Inns in Hobart at the time - They didn't move out to Cross Marshes until 1825  - and she was busy having Thomas Jnr.    Thomas Snr did have land - but not at New Norfolk - at Green Ponds/Kempton/Cross Marshes.   

For what it's worth (not much I admit) I think we ditch Catharine Wood at New Norfolk.   Call in the umpire!

Wiggy         the vibes are not vibrating on that one at all, at all.

Edit - you've all moved on while I was looking things up.  I'm referring to Catharine Wood - too slow by half that's me!

[majm]

Umm,

but the ladies wept and flowers were thrown ...

Seriously, VDL 1820 Muster for Brady, Matthew - he was assigned to a Mr Riley at that time.

Umm, also Re Thomas Ransom's land
  On list of persons who have had lands measured in Van Diemen's Land but have not received their grants (Reel 6048; 4/1742 p.296)
and this one 1823 On list of persons owing quit rents in Van Diemen's Land; for land in the District of Green Ponds (Fiche 3270; X19 p.21)
 
Umm, haven't got my hardcopy print outs with me at the moment, but ...

Cheers, Umm, Call in the Umpire ... No, throw the flowers instead...

JM

[Wiggy]

Well, actually, Thomas had some land at Green ponds by 1820 - he was advertising a grass farm for lease in 1821.  I think he actually got it earlier - just been reading about it in one of my snippets.  I still don't think that had anything to do with the woman living out there though.

(There is also a reference in the Sol Sec's Index to Thomas having stock being received by gov't from Port Dalrymple- in 15 Feb 1813 - before he was even on the island - just to confuse things!)

I'm not really helping am I??      - will sit out and watch all you clues falling onto the thread.

Wiggy

[regross]

Dave:

Interesting theory re Geran/Ransom in 1820.

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=231958 credits Wiliam Newman and Catharine Geran
with  Margaret b 1815,  Jane 1817 and Mary Ann 1820. Mary Ann married William Wiggins in 1844.

This does rule the theory out.

So Wiggy who do we still have in the frame?

Robyn

[majm]

VDL muster 1826,

Matthew Brady (as Bready) listed as ABSCONDED 7 June 1824... so he was assigned to Mrs Ransom at Cross Marshes sometime after 1820 Muster and before 7 June 1824 

Umm, at the rate we are getting on with this, we could umm, FIND HER soon 

and so the ladies can weep as the gents throw flowers...
JM