Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[Wiggy]

Well, that's interesting - you've been a one man band this afternoon JM!   

I've just re-found my 'find' of Catharine McNally baptised 1790 - on Family Search - also Ireland and also submitted by LDS with no further info available.    ( Fly/sail me to the moon south and let me . . . .   )

Wiggy

[davclem]

The Mitchell Library advise its MCNANALTY  for the 1811 birth/baptism entry for John/Catharine

"Searched the microfilm for baptisms at St Philips, Sydney. The Mitchell Library and the Society of Australian Genealogists (SAG) have microfilmed many original church registers. These are different to the New South Wales Registry's copy of the parish registers: the New South Wales Registry's copy of the parish registers are not of the original entires but clergy returns sent in to the New South Wales Registry. Therefore, checking the original church registers can be worthwhile in case of omissions or additions made by the clergy when they transcribed parish registers to send to the authorities. I checked reel 0090 Volume 2, Baptisms October 1809 – December 1811,page numbers 151-167, frames 180-197 and the entry at 23! 3. It was identical to the V1811233 5/1811 entry and gave no further information about Catherine other than she was the wife of John MACANALTY and their son John was born on 18/7/1811 and christened on 8/9/1811. It was much easier to read the surname on this reel and it is clear that it is Macanalty. I rechecked the Mutch Index using that surname and found a cross-reference."

David

[davclem]

Oops! fat finger syndrome generating too many Ns David

[majm]

Hi All,

Well done David.... that's one more Catherine accounted for and off the list... and the State Library records often are more reliable for those pre 1830's events...  I have found several of my forebears christenings on NSWSL records but not on NSW BDM ...  and have found the films to be much easier to read.... I no longer live near enough to get to the SL, but its got very very good records.

Just a thought re Catharine's birthdate....  Have just re-read the Jane Spencer advertisement http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2184372?searchTerm=%22jane+spencer%22 to see if there's any clues about Catharine's age... and I again note that Jane Spencer addresses her as Mrs Ransom, but also.... Mrs Ransom would seem to be older than Jane.... giving her "motherly" advice...

Jane Spencer was in her 59th year when she died in 1854....  My maths indicates this would suggest Jane was born in 1794 ish... So I think this also supports the suggestion (twas it Robyn who mentioned it  ) that Catharine may be older than first considred.. and perhaps her age of 68 was a slip by the typesetter or her husband giving her some privacy from any prying eyes...
 http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2460475?searchTerm=%22stieglitz%22

Still searching 

JM

[regross]

Wow,
Stong ad. Makes you wonder about the prying eyes etc, seems to be worse than today.

Dave: So we now rule out Catherine Macanulty wife of John, So how many Catherines are we left with? Perhaps she is up to 10 years older than our first estimate.

Wiggy I know you feel it unlikely but eveidence is very suggestive of this.

Owen and Catharine need to be researched as this is a lead not encountered before.Do we have a death date yet for Owen?

Surely this is not him: http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2197096?searchTerm=owen+mcnally

fixed

good sleuthing people

Robyn

[majm]

Bit More,

This is for Thomas Ransom's death.... notice the paper indicates his beneficiaries were his immediate family.... http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8644117?searchTerm=%22thomas%22

Just read Robyn's post, 
Not yet found Owen McNally's death but I'm hoping that the reference number for his Certificate of Freedom will lead somewhere... 

Cheers,

JM

[regross]

JM,

Have fixed but you can always copy and paste the address into your searchengine too.
(Owen McNally was aged 70 and sentenced to 6 months in an iron gang!!!)

found 2 deaths in the NSW Index one for 1835 the same year as the above article, and another aged 59 in 1857 and he would be too young to have been married and having children in the early 1800's.
Robyn

[majm]

Ta Robyn,

I'm still struggling to figure out the Certificate of Freedom ! for Owen McNally... obviously he had done his time by 1823, I think in fact he had done his time by 1816, but I have not yet confirmed what the "16" represented... 

That 70 year old sentenced to iron gang work in 1835.. very sad...

JM

[regross]

Well

have been look at Ireland re Owen Mc Nally

VVV interesting

http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search/index.php?category=18

while I find him mentioned and also found a muchlater Catherine Mc Nally/ Catherine Shaw transported in 1847 to Tasmaina. Owen in his own right does not turn up.  It seems that he and Patrick Maguire attmpted to abduct a female surname Mc Nally. This is in a petiton from Patrick's mother.

Oh to see the trial papers!!!

also a possible mention in this book: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=aQQeiv7Zza8C&pg=PA280&lpg=PA280&dq=%22owen+mcnally%22+covict&source=bl&ots=VInsQuWfM-&sig=utEyv8I1H0GBs7O-4TNdYVjtW00&hl=en&ei=nd3WStqGFoPxkAXmnN3GCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false but whether it is the ame person 
 and in here http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/w/F62c_win-wy-16.htm

perhaps here http://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=aussavingsbank&so=2&pcat=CLP_BANK&_80004000=mcnulty&sbo=1&gss=angs-c

Robyn