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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 07:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Robyn,

I received the same info re 'the old story' from rellies in Sydney too - so the story has travelled far and wide.  Just look at all the Catha(e)rines turning up along the way - why should two Davids worry you?!     :D   All part of the fun and difficulties!

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Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 08:17 BST (UK) »
David,

 I wonder if Belbin is getting confused with Giblin (?sp) - school master of Thomas Jnr?   possible do you think?  Is there a Catharine Belbin??

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 08:35 BST (UK) »
Wiggy and David,

Catharine was not leaving a trail of offspring behind her which is my point. ???

Thomas 1820 we are fairly sure is her child but questions still remain no parents names given on the Tassie site.Has anyone sighted the baptismal records? Can't find any of them on the early censuses only Thomas as  Ransom  1848 in Fingal and MRS Stieglitz in 1843. AS Wiggy has said she certainly knew how to hide herself from officialdom.

Catharine is also said to have "adopted" another child presumed by us to be Ann?

And if she was John McNally's wife there was the child in 1811 (indexed as macannaly/macanulty)Has anyone checked the original church record ? Then we still have only a maximum 3 children to a young healthy woman. Yes Ransom was "old" but if he fathered Thomas why not more children in their years together?

All supports the evidence of her being an upright pillar of the colonial society such as it was then.  So we are still no further forward.

keep on sleuthing

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 08:46 BST (UK) »
Wiggy

Belbin is certaily contemporary to our time frame but most likely irrelevant see:http://boards.ancestry.ca/surnames.belbin/3.2.1.1/mb.ashx one of the threads is

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Iam also a direct desendant of James Belbin and would like to contact anyone who may be able to help with some Detail relating to Jame's daughter Catherine (Kate ) afterher first husband Richard Becroft/bearcroft drowned in 1820.

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and another i don,t have any thing on catherine belbin though she is my direct decendant i have only been working on the direct

3 wives and 18 children and a convict to NI, back to England and returned  to Tassie and founded a dynasty!!! You mentioned Barbara Cartland in the old thread!!


also on a tree http://wilsonsoftasmania.familytreeguide.com/getperson.php?personID=I6856&tree=T1&PHPSESSID=3ebe4b549851e871889a1f30c8cdf334

and this
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4 Catherine Belbin (twin); b. 12 Sep 1798 at Norfolk Island.
m. (1) 9 Sep 1816 at St David's Hobart to Richard Bexcroft alias Brown. d. 7 Feb 1820.
m. (2) 27 May 1823, St David's Hobart to Samuel Collings, n.i. Children (4):
from http://www.devel20.freezone.co.uk/fz156/australian.html

rules her out ;D

good reading all

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany


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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 09:35 BST (UK) »
Yes Robyn,  I've seen the baptismal record for Thomas in 1820 to Catharine 'unmarried' and no father's name.  Not a huge help really - that's what I went for first when in Hobart last!

Thanks for other info re Belbin.

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 12:16 BST (UK) »
Evening All (Dixon of Dock Green),

Just a reminder that Catherine was not only well regarded by the Land Commissioner and by the Hermit of VDL, but she had a very good rapport with bushrangers and convicts- Matthew Brady was assigned to her and Thomas on his arrival in Hobart 1820 , and Matthew subsequently used the door of their inn (the Royal Oak) to post his Notice of reward for the capture of Governor Arthur in 1826, and in 1837 Martin Cash thought that she was the bees Knees when he worked at Killymoon for a year. Incidentally it was Cash who identifies Ann as the adopted daughter of Catharine (and FLS).

Back to Friday 3rd June 1825, the open letter to His Honour Lieutenant Governor Arthur etc, on pages 3-4 of the Hobart Town Gazette and VDL Adveriser  part of which refers to Mr Ransom and " the faithful and valuable female who has for years borne his name" about which some persecuting hypocrite ferreted out" that wed they were not, as part of a severe scrutiny of the honourable body of the publicans of Hobart Town, the thrust of the article being that Arthur was surrounded by a mob of despicable spin doctors. The Private secretary at the time was Captain John Montagu. The relevant records , if any, would seem tobe included in The Arthur Files (CSO1), the Register of General Correspondence (CSO2) and Index to same (CSO3) and the Colonial Secretarys Letters (CSO 35) But it would be worth checking the website of the AOT ( ARchives Office Tasmania) for the Guide to Public Records Of Tasmania -Colonial Secretarys Office and another Guide- The Governors Ofice.

The AOT also refers to an inquest 23 July 1838 into the death of a James McNally ( Inquest 204 (ref SC 195/1/4)

Happy hunting
David

Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 12:26 BST (UK) »
 Wiggy, my friend,"I am but mad north-north-west: when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw." --Hamlet, Act II, scene ii ...I may have erred over Bryan, but I know my Belbin from my Giblin  David

Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 13:18 BST (UK) »
 Glad I'm still called friend then, in spite of thinking you might be confused!

Robyn has saved chasing up on that one!!  Thanks Robyn.

Cheers

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #62 on: Thursday 15 October 09 01:38 BST (UK) »
For those in the team still interested in Captain John Cummings, I refer you to page 170 of the 1988 edition of "THe women of Botany Bay"( Portia Robinson) which outlines the 1809 action by Catherine Cotton against Capt John Cummings for wrongfully selecting her land at Cotton's Point on the North Shore of Sydney for a grant. David
Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820