Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[majm]

JM, Yes i found that 1826 reference last night for W Rook arriving in 1826- a corpse do you think- or was he frostbitten but the news of his demise greatly exaggerated- I had a date of1827 in my mind from my previous Rook trawls, but...
I like the concept of Unmarried being not married to Thomas, but why would she not give his name as father in that case- many in those circs did? David

Perhaps the Captain was errr ....  Jack Frost .... for a few weeks ....

  Knopwood recorded "unmarried" ... twas not necessarily Catharine's words...

Ummm....  Wiggy, please consider asking someone locally to scan that record so you can at least have a legible copy on your puter ....   and how does Knopwood spell Catharine Christiana McNally's three names please ....

Cheers,  JM

[davclem]

JM,
Congratulations POST 413 and previous re James McGuire alaias Mcnally- major find.

However, my take on Catherine McGuire remains that she is the daughter of Julia ( per Calcutta 1803) and Robert McGuire, as per 1818 and 1822 Musters, and that she is not relevant.

If we assume Our Catherine was nee X and married a McNally, of all the candidates to date Catherine Rook seems to be the most probable becuase of the Perservance connection. But he was a James McNally- which still fits with VDL because there was a James McNally there 1818 plus at Port Dalrymple, but it eliminates the Cummings scenario because his McNally and wife was John ,as was the McNally birth in 1811. However there remains the issue of Boddingtons, because John McNally 1819 at PD was shown per Boddingtons, while Boddingtons list shows James McNally, who was also at PD, and neither are Fortune and Alexander McNally, so we now have 3 mcNallys , who need to be treated seperately and pinned down for elimination purposes.

Off for the day now- solve it by this evening ,please

David

[majm]

Hi there,

Errr .... Rev Knopwood married Robert McGuire and MISS Julia Hopley in VDL 28 Aug 1817 as per  The Hobart Town Gazette and Southern Reporter Saturday 6 September 1817

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/652956

This would concur with David's view that Catherine McGuire is not relevant 

Cheers,  JM  (errr .... solve it by this evening  .... I think the NSW State Records  may have the info about the James McGuire alias McNally ...  and perhaps Wiggy needs to order them by snail mail .... 

MODIFYING TO ADD Wondering who was the Peter McGuire who supplied 102 bushels of wheat to Hobart Town's stores and is mentioned in The Hobart Town Gazette and Southern Reporter of Saturday 29 March 1817   , also do we know how Robert McGuire (husband of Julia Hopley) got to VDL ....  

[majm]

Hi there,

Re the chap on the Boddingtons .... possibly an alternative spelling for him on 1811 muster in NSW  James McInnelly he was tried in Aug 1792 at Autrim sentence was 7 years

Cheers,  JM

 

[davclem]

But JM , if robert Mcguire and Julia were not married until 1817, then Catherine Macguire would not be listed as a Free Woman in 1818, she would be a child, even if Robert and Julia had been living together since 1804, Catherine would only be 14- sorry, i should have done the maths- does that bring her back into play as a wife of James MCGuire who is either not in the colony or is not in Hobart?

I'm off now, truly
David

[majm]

Umm

1806 Muster,  there's a Catherine McGuire, wife of (ie shown as UX)  Peter McGuire .... Catherine was ex the Glatton 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Umm,

Catherine McGuire, a free woman on that muster in 1818 .....  I think there's good possible that could well be Catharine Christiana McNally ....  err.... any sign of a child, perhaps Ann ....

Cheers,

JM

[majm]

Umm, 1825 ... and Robert McGuire .... and publican's licences
(the prying eyes issue that seems to be at the origins of the reasons for raising the impediment for Catharine McNally... ) 

That Robert McGuire would have known Thomas Ransom ... even if only at licence hearings over those years, .... and most likely (almost certainly) would have known that Catharine was NOT Thomas Ransom's legal wife... and possibly that  same Robert McGuire or his wife Julia may have known all about the father of Thomas McNally born 1820 ....

There's  the licencing of a Rob. McGuire of the Coach and Horses in Elizabeth St Hobart Town.... in the Gaz of Saturday 22 October 1825 http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790321

Here's a link showing the dilemma confronting Lt. Govr Arthur as researched by a chap interested in The Bush Inn...  http://members.dodo.com.au/~tassietales/03.html   .... There was BIG TROUBLES for Arthur .... the regulations were not taking into account the administrative boundaries even within the County of Buckinghamshire .... 

On that link  there's several interesting pages explaining the VDL difficulties relating to issuing licences in that very year .... Apparently one of the regulations required the signature of a government official and that position had not yet been created in VDL ...  Several extracts from Arthur's letters are cited ...

"...But the 5th clause enacts that, “before any licenses shall be valid for any purposes.” the same shall be countersigned by the Commissary of Civil Accounts for this Island; and there is no such Officer here. "    ...  No wonder that Prying Eyes was making a mountain out of a mole hill .....

Cheers, JM  .... I'm off to confront a mole hill of tasks around here, before they become a mountain ...  I'll keep checking the thread, but its VERY VERY long, perhaps there ought to be a new thread with links back to these two threads, and with a summary ....

[majm]

I'm tidying up my scribbled notes, and noticed I had a newspaper reference for Macguire

Here tis

Perhaps we can eliminate one male as a candidate for the impediment .... this particular one was a tall thin man by the name of John Macguire ... Ten to the gallows on Monday 17 Dec 1827 as reported in the HTC of 22 Dec 1827...   

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4225435

They were harsh times ....

JM