Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[majm]

Hi Robyn,

Oh,       I tend to rely on the originals of records  and so I thank you for that link and the rationale on that RChat thread...  ...  I wish I were based in Tas to be able to get to the original baptismal records....  to help WIGGY more, alas, I'm not.... 

Looking carefully at Original records ... umm.... often tis the best way to confirm or eliminate or mark as "possible, likely, probable"  - but of course even those records can be factually incorrect.... (even when quite legible) for example, a lass may fib about her age when marrying or a grieving spouse may not hear a question properly and give his own mother's nee name instead of his mother-in-law's nee name when providing information for a death registration....  and of course so few people ever respond to a govt official with the answer "I don't know".....

But I think there's several days of quiet time needed to go through each and every record for baptisms in VDL 1816 - 1825, reading each one in full, carefully, before going onto the next entry.... rather than just consulting an online index - yes I know I use the online indexes regularly.... but for example, once I spot a likely RANSOM in a newspaper cutting.... I get to that "Primary Record" digitised on line.

So I use original records, and also primary records and also secondary records..firstly to try to match some of my own oral history tales with known facts... but I also realise that researching my own forebears using those techniques absorbs time, energy and funds...    And I am sure you agree....           

JM

[Wiggy]

Hi Guys - can hardly think straight - have lost my keys and I'm blaming you lot - I came in last night using them and they haven't been seen since - so whichever of you has them - please hand them back NOW!  I'm getting frantic.

I would just like to point out one little matter which I don't think (I don't think) anyone has taken into consideration with the Cummings scenario re Anne - there was a child registered to John and Ann Cummings - Phillip born 1818.   I found him and Cathy commented on him - said they were surprised to find him but there he was.   Now someone may have mentioned him today - frankly  I haven't had time to fully take in ALL today's traffic - but just in case you haven't - think on these things.

I have searched as much as I possibly can with limited resources to find Anne - -I looked for her in Hobart under McNally and Ransom and for years either side of her alleged birth date - no luck - since finding out about Thomas Amos, I have written to ask about an Amos registration - no luck  - I have looked in Sydney/PJ - no luck - under any name - and Trish looked too in Sydney.    When we return to Tassie I will have another look using old church records if we can access them - I used library's church transcript records last time - will find out about actual church records this time - didn't know about them last time - thought what I was looking at was the real McCoy.

Will now go back slowly and see what else I can pick at!!!   

Can I say again, thanks for all the help - I can't keep saying it - would get boring - but you know I am very grateful!

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Robyn,

 re post 113 on this thread - yes I've seen that one before - Thomas is just plain wrong!   Interesting that Catharine is looking right for what we've always believed and been told.

Yes I am keeping an open mind!       You all amaze me with the things you find.

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Sorry folks - just reading and catching up -

David, re your last post,  the children weren't drowned - only Ann drowned - you probably know this but the way it reads, sounds as if all of them died.  Just making that clear.   

JM -  re 108 - have we seen this - yes we have indeed!    Glad you have now!!      Maybe I didn't share all my finds with the thread after all - just with my own records!!   sorry folks!  Have added you SL look up suggestion to the TO dO list!

 I have a copy of the marriage registration - all written in one hand, and very little information given.   How do you make that message run across the screen? - very clever!   Will try for an original  . . .

I think William Cummings, John's brother also married an Ann - they were mostly in NSW though I think.


Wiggy

[regross]

Wiggy,

Hope you ound your keys! I live my 83yo  mother who is always losing things which then turn up in most unexpected places!!!

Try  in the door, the bathroom, under the bed, in the fridge etc under a pile of papers, usually no where near where one would normally look.

I think this puzzle is not just compulsive but has become an addiction.
Spent hours on google searches of variety of spellings and combinations and got no further forward.

Love to know about John and Catherine McNally in 1811 and where they came from!!! Where there any clues on the were the original baptismal paperwork could be found? (particularly after rereading the post on originals/trascriptions/copies etc)

I tend to lean towards this line as the answer to her origins. So how do we chase it up?

Like JM  wish I could be of more direct help. I live on the NSW Victorian border so away freom all sate libraries!!!

rest assured I will keep thinking and seeking .

Robyn

[Wiggy]

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC but important!!
OK folks - you are all off the hook - I found them!!   In the back pocket of my bag not the front - now why would I have put them there I wonder?  doesn't matter - they are found - so I don't have to spend $400+ buying a new spare key!!

Wiggy            

[majm]

Bit More,

 NSW Musters ..... 1817

Catharine NEALE, sent from PJ to VDL after arriving on Capt Gregg's CANADA, to NSW Aug 1817, ex Dublin - trial Aug 1816, sentence 7 years....

I will try to find other images for the Musters using a commercial subscription site... .... noticing that on that site that MC and MAC surnames are sometimes filed slightly differently from today's alpha patterns... I will try under NALLY and not just MAC... also will try to find CUMMINGS and RANSOM etc, hope the subscription site has VDL musters imaged, and not just NSW...

So glad Wiggy found her keys.... but I wish there were keys available to unravel this mystery !!!

JM

[majm]

Bit More

VDL 1830 Muster  (yes, this is the year that Catharine McNally married Frederick)

NALLY, John Mc  ex the MANILUS (2nd) was Assigned to a Mr Petchey   ... umm, so this chap was not the IMPEDIMENT 
NALLY, Wm Mc ex the LADY EAST in 1825, assigned to T Anstey Esq .... umm impediment raised in the papers in 1825, but he's still alive in 1830 too, so NOT HIM either....
NALLEY, James ex MARY, assigned to Mr H Gray... so not James either

Not spotted any other likely "Nally" entries.

JM

[majm]

Bit More,

a Catherine GAREN was meant to be in  VDL ex the Kangaroo in 1816, (tried at Limerick 1813) but the MUSTER lists her as "Missing" ... I cannot determine the date of that muster, seems to be 1817, but MISSING .... umm,

I will modify this post when I have figured out a) the date of that muster and/or b) who was Catherine GAREN...

MODIFY 1   to answer the "a)" question - its a list of FEMALES in VDL with some entries made as late as 1830's and it has a UK National Archives reference number.... HO/10/41, thus it is Crown Copyright.

Cheers,  JM