James Mernagh

[hedwig06]

Shane,

Thinking back, I only got Edwards place of birth of the census information - sorry.

He states on the 1911 census, Mayo, Ireland as place of birth.

Angi x

[heywood]

Hi Angi,
here I am again with something which may/not have anything to do with our search so just put it on one side for now!
I have been all over the place trying to connect Thomas Bowler nephew.
I got him to parents William and Mary Ann. William gives p o b as Herefordshire in 1871 so I went off and was around there and Monmouthshire but then found another William and Mary Ann -thankfully also in 1871 so realised that was wrong! William works with Brass.
Started again- not very easy to find but William on another census says Birmingham! 1841 may have him- parents Thomas and Mary.
Now lost them BUT whilst looking have seen this:

1851 HO107; Piece: 2058; Folio: 193; Page: 32
Thomas Bowley 30yrs Master Black Ornament Maker b Cleverley Shropshire
Mary Bowley 30 yrs b Birmingham
Thos Charles Bowley 4 yrs b Birmingham

The Bowleys seem to come from Herefordshire/Shropshire and it was the occupation that struck me.

[heywood]

I feel I am now going off at a tangent with the Bowleys - so just ignore me!
The Tantrums are centred around Shropshire too so there seems to be links but too hidden for the time being.

I'm stopping now for the time being.

[hedwig06]

Heywood - thanks.

I cannot find a Charlotte Bowley with a father of Charles, (stated on Marriage cert.), anywhere, only the family I thought was the right one, of father James Bowley, all hailing from Herefordshre & Birmingham.

I have thought maybe James Mernagh and Charlotte Bowley maybe went to Dublin to marry, because they didn't have parental approval?
They didn't have any fathers, mother, siblings, from either side of the family as witnesses....

Well just a thought, but I can't get over the marriage cert stating Charles as the father 

Angi x

[shanew147]

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Well just a thought, but I can't get over the marriage cert stating Charles as the father 
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I've lost track... why is Charles as the father's name on the marriage cert a problem ?



Shane

[hedwig06]

Shane,

There is no Charlotte Bowley with a father of Charles Bowley, anywhere, no census, no parish records, on anysite I or (I think) Heywood has looked.

Charlotte has a nephew living with her in Birmingham on the 1891 census, called Thomas Bowley, who I have traced back to father of William Bowley brother of James Bowley, who I thought was Charlotte's father.

I'm sure that's as clear as mud 

I have Charlotte's father as James Bowley born herefordshire, then moving to Birmingham, then moving to Ireland, as the family all disappear off the census's from 1871 onwards.  Only Charlotte seems to have moved back to Birmingham, with James Mernagh and their children.

Angi x

[shanew147]

There can be mistakes with father's on marriage certs - I have at least two marriage certs for my own ancestors, where the details on the father's is inaccurate in one case and has the names completely wrong on the other.

As far as I remember that English census for for the family I looked at proved the Mernagh/Bowley link - as the family surname was Mernagh and there was an in-law listed with the surname Bowley. Maybe you could follow that person to see how they fit with Bowleys, and confirm the connection that way.

I had to do something similar for my gg-grandparents. The fathers names on their marriage didn't fit with details we already know from our passed down story, and also didn't fit with any certs, census returns we tried either. Eventually I tracked a niece living my gg-grandparent back to her parents and proved a connection to the gg-grandmother's brother - and were able to prove a link with a family that were the prime suspects all along.

p.s. have you a connection  to one of James & Charlotte's children ?


Shane

[hedwig06]

Shane,

It actually says Chas as fathers first name, Chas/James, could be misheard I suppose.

As to James and Charlotte's children, they had a son also called James Mernagh born 1884 in Birmingham.

He is my husbands great-grandfather, James b1884 had a daughter called Charlotte Mernagh b1914, who then married William Blair in 1938, who in turn had my father-in-law John b1946.

So it is a direct line I am trying to trace, I also cannot get far on the Blair side either, as William disappeared after WW2, and I can't find him or a death record to trace further back through that line.

Angi x

[heywood]

Hello again,

I spent years looking for my gtgt grandfather 'John' as per his son John's marriage certificate - he was actually called 'Osborne'.

However back to the Bowleys.

Charlotte Bowley
Free BMD
birth: 1841 Birmingham Vol 16 pg 321
birth: 1848 Aston vol 16 pg 19

1851  HO107; Piece: 2054; Folio: 198; Page: 10
Charlotte Bowley 9 yrs
(parents James and Ann)

Free BMD
marriage 1866 Birmingham vol 6d pg 45  spouse Abraham Windle

1871 RG10; Piece: 3109; Folio: 7; Page: 8
Charlotte 'Winde' b 1842 (husband Abraham)
Death 1877 Charlotte Windle 35 yrs

It may be worth getting the 1848 birth certificate which is far closer to her given birth year in censuses.

Also take care in tracing Thomas back- there are two William Bowleys giving Hereford as p o b and I think it is easy to go on the wrong track there too!

heywood