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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 12:31 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 12:33 BST (UK) »
Even W H Smiths (sorry typo - had fall yesterday - hand injury (thanks for email Kathy, do you have dates and names of Mabel's siblings & dates?)

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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 05 September 07 22:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Rhodie

I have Mabel's siblings names but no dates I'm afraid.

William older by a few yrs maybe 4, married Audrey they have about 8 children and lived in Merstham, Surrey in the 60's
Mabel 28/02/1912
Beatrice was a nurse do not know here she lived or about marriage.
George lived in Berkshire was a shepherd. Had a wooden leg - not sure how that happened.

They were about 3 yrs apart I think. They used to visit occasionally - remember I lived with Fanny - Mabel's mother.  also used to stay in Merstham with Uncle Bill.

Do you need any details of Fanny's siblings? I do know that John her brother
who married Audrey and lived in South Petherton, had a daughter Orpah (strange name) who emigrated to Australa.

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Hammett,Gibbons,Frampton,Daniel,Collis,Sinnick.
Tiree,Scotland
Macdonald,Mackinnon,Sinclair
Buckley,Smith,Travellers

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 06 September 07 14:11 BST (UK) »
Lydart what did you think of my article? They had to cut it quite a bit, space was short, orginally had more on the informers and their offspring.

Kathy I have them all up to 1901, and from FreeBMD then the info you gave me.  Did Alice have offspring, couldn't find any WW1 death for Frederick did he have offspring, or Nora's offspring, and Lily?  Have 2 offspring for  John (perhaps you might meet up in Oz with his offspring?)


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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 15 September 07 00:15 BST (UK) »
Rhodie -  got the magazine and the article was great!
 I think Alice's offspring were Mabel and Vera Brown. Something odd must have happened to Alice - she was the psychic one - because Mabel went to live with her grandmother Harriet along with my grandmother Mabel. They called Mabel Brown 'Bessie' to avoid any confusion. They were cousins but brought up as sisters, and went to school in Winterborne Kingston. My great grandmother Fanny who brought me up (!) used to have a lovely photo of them together when they were about 12, dressed in long dark dresses, with white smocks over the top, and button-up boots. Their hair naturally straight had been tied up in rags to make it curly !. I have lots of snippets of information like this, living with my great grandmother Fanny from the age of 6 until I was 16.

Vera Brown was sent away to some kind of 'boarding school' until she was 16. She married Charles Sharp and they lived in East Stour. Because of an accident in childhood, she was unable to have children, and adopted 2 boys, Robert and Terry from Barnardos in London. I believe Terry still lives and works in the Shaftesbury area. Robert joined the army - national service in the 60's. I'm not sure of his movements but I believe he married a Dorset girl. Vera was a very accomplished cook and seamstress. Knitted all sorts,crocheted etc and taught me as a child. These were skills she had learned in the 'boarding school'.

I do not know much about Frederick except that he was killed in the trenches in France in WW1 - He must have been quite young and apparently it broke Harriet's heart. I have come across it before.

When you mention Nora, I think you mean Frances. Again I do not know much about her except that she was not a well woman and spent some time in a sanitorium somewhere.

Aunt Lily was a real character and lived in a tiny hamlet called Deanland, about 2 miles from 6d Handley. Her husband Steve Kimber only had one arm - I never met him, he had passed away before my time. I often used to have holidays there with Fanny her sister. They were like chalk and cheese. Lily was slim and looked like Harriet where as Fanny was stout apparently like her grandfather she used to say

Lily had 4 children I think, but I only remember 2 sisters. I can't remember the younger sister's name and only saw her a couple of times, but the other one was Bessie who lived in 6d Handley and had about 6 children. Her married name was Chalk I think.

Yes you are quite right -there were 2 offspring for John. The other was my uncle Percy who maried Eileen from Ely,and they had a son Paul a little older than me. They lived somewhere near Cheddar Gorge. Wouldn't it be great to meet up with Orpah in Australia?

Do you have any dates for Mabel's siblings? I have not been in touch with any of them since  was 16.

I would like to find out the dates of death for Harriet and Henry Collis but have been unable to trace them. My grandmother used to tell me that her father Henry died just after Harriet from a 'broken heart'. Apparently they were inseparable. How lovely in those days of hardship.

Let me know if I can be of any further help Rhodie.
Kathy
Tolpuddle Martyrs
Hammett,Gibbons,Frampton,Daniel,Collis,Sinnick.
Tiree,Scotland
Macdonald,Mackinnon,Sinclair
Buckley,Smith,Travellers

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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 27 September 07 22:39 BST (UK) »
How great is this site? I have only been on a few times - browsing for any extra info on James Hammett ( my gggg grandfather) and now know who he was 'assigned to' in Oz, where he went, and even the name of the ship that brought him home.

What a clever bunch you all are!! Thank you!
Tolpuddle Martyrs
Hammett,Gibbons,Frampton,Daniel,Collis,Sinnick.
Tiree,Scotland
Macdonald,Mackinnon,Sinclair
Buckley,Smith,Travellers

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« Reply #24 on: Friday 27 June 08 08:58 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I have recently discovered a possible connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, George and James Loveless which I'm yet to confirm so would love to hear from anyone that has any further informtion that may help.
 
My GGG Grandfather Stephen Loveless was born abt 1816 in Dorset, he is recorded as an Ag Labourer atTolpuddle right up till 1891 when he retired, he married Elizabeth abt 1837 in Dorchester and they had the following children who where all born in Tolpuddle, Dorset.

> Elizabeth 1838
> Ursula 1840
> Emma 1846
> Jane 1847
> Maria 1848
> Stephen 1843
> Samuel 1851
> Sarah 1853
> James 1855
> Mary Ann 1860

Could Stephen be a possible brother or cousin to George and James Loveless?????

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Nari
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« Reply #25 on: Friday 27 June 08 09:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Nari,

Have you had a look at the Tolpuddle page on www.opcdorset.com ?  You might find a link by checking baptisms and marriages.

Good luck!

Nanny Jan
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« Reply #26 on: Friday 04 July 08 04:54 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Thanks to Rhodie I've now found a connection to the Tolpuddle Martyr's, not through the Loveless side like I thought but through James Hammett, seems James was the brother of Elizabeth Hammett my GGG Grandmother who married my GGG Grandfather Stephen Loveless. Stephen and Elizabeth's daughter Elizabeth married Edward McGovern and they eventually moved to Australia in 1869.

Now to find the Loveless connection, as I'm pretty sure there is one.

Thanks again Rhodie for your help.

Cheers
Nari
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