Mill Bank, Rochdale

[heywood]

I have seen all the baptisms at Ogden, so even if they moved away, they have used the church as a family church.
Eliza, born 1831 shows Manchester as place of birth on 1851 census.

1851 HO107; Piece: 2241; Folio: 452; Page: 34

Pit Bank House Oldham

Eliza Ainsworth niece 19 yrs b Manchester
Penelope Parker 21 yrs house servant b Newcastle
Rosa Ann Book 26 yrs  -do- b Yorkshire

The entry above- with a line drawn to separate from this entry, is for:
Bank Street
Hannah Seville Annuitant b Leeds with a daughter and 2 sons.

I'm not sure that this entry is anything to do with Eliza and I may be digressing anyway or totally off track- sorry. 

(I was really trying to find out where the Ainsworths were giving as their place of birth on censuses).

[heywood]

I'll try to stop now.
In the article, I think it said that Edward died at Pit Bank. ** Just re-read the article- it says that Edward sold Wicken Hall to James Grimshaw and Edward died 1841 at Pit Bank. However, with this large family, Reiver, I don't know if this is your Edward or an uncle.

The following then relates to the Edward who is living beside Sarah and Frederick Law in 1841 in Salford.
I have found two of the other daughters of Edward, I think, living with Jesse Ainsworth and wife in Birkenhead in 1851. Ellen is born Rochdale and Ann F is born Manchester.
No relationship is given but they are 'gentlewomen' and he is an 'esquire' as occupations.
141 has Jesse and Hannah living at Pit Bank, Oldham so for my part, as an Oldhamer, the mystery is solved.
Sadly, though - not for Mill Bank.

[Reiver]

Many many thanks to you all  for becoming involved in the quest 

Edward Ainsworth and family lived at Wicken Hall as did his father before him. Sarah - who married Frederick Law - was his eldest child.  Wicken Hall was sold in 1827 and Edward died in late 1841.  He, his wife and members of the family are buried in the chapel graveyard of the Ogden Particular Baptist Chapel of which they were members.
Mention has been made of Jesse Ainsworth. He was Edward's brother and lived at Pit Bank (Hall), Oldham. 

Sarah married Frederick Law in June 1838.
She was living 'Mill Bank in the township of Butterworth'
He was living at 'Hamer Cottage in the township of Wardle and Wardle
The marriage took place in 'The Providence Chapel, District of Rochdale'

I knew that Pit Bank was a large property so thought that Mill Bank may be as well.  I thought that maybe Mill Bank was where Edward and family were living after being at Wicken Hall.   Is the Mill Bank found too near Sowerby Bridge to be in Butterworth township?

I have found (in 1841)  Edward and family living next door to Frederick Law and family at Ordsall Terrace, Salford.

Regards
Reiver

[heywood]

Hi again,
I was hoping that Mill Bank was mistaken for Pit Bank when she married but as she states Butterworth it doesn't look like it.
However, a puzzle is that the younger children in Edward's family state that they were born in Manchester- and that is around 1827-1831.
However, they could have moved back.
I wonder if there is anything in their baptism records with an 'address'. Parish records are so varied - some give lots of details- others the bare minimum.

[mosiefish]

Hi,

I did check the 1841 and 51 street indexes for Rochdale which includes Butterworth and there was no Mill Bank listed. 

Mo

[alpinecottage]

In Pigot and Slater's 1841 Directory of Manchester and Salford, in the Rochdale section of the directory, Edward Ainsworth, flannel manufacturer is listed at Mill Bank.  There are no other entries for Mill Bank, which suggests that it is a single property rather than a hamlet. 

I found this on www.historicaldirectories.org

[heywood]

That's good news alpine cottage  Just have to find it now 

I eventually found it at that reference but you can't really tell whether it is just a business address or home address - do you think that?
Also it doesn't say where in Rochdale area it is, so I wonder if it wasn't in Butterworth township 
We know anyway that in 1841 he was living in Salford and died the same year in Oldham so ...

Reiver - do you have his death certificate? I suppose though it would only have place of death rather than an address.

[Reiver]

Between 1827 and 1831 when their last child was born, all were baptised at Ogden Baptist Chapel.  Did you find them locally, Heywood?

Finding Edward Ainsworth at Mill Bank in Rochdale in the 1841  Directory suggests that the Mill Bank near Sowerby Bridge is not the right one.
I understand Directories may well be maybe a year out of date and so for 1841 read say 1840.  It is beginning to look as though Mill Bank in Rochdale was home to Sarah, her parents and her brothers and sisters. She would be about 22 when she married in 1838 and she was the eldest.

Perhaps an email to Touchstones Library at Rochdale may resolve the whereabouts of Mill Bank.

Regards
Reiver

[heywood]

I found the baptisms in Family Search and then I was checking the census info for places of birth. The younger ones give Manchester, although they were baptised at Ogden which makes me think that it was the family church even if they weren't living in the immediate area.
When I was reading earlier, Henry (?) Kelsall who was married to Lydia Ainsworth (mentioned in that book extract) was a benefactor of the new Ogden chapel even though Henry and Lydia lived in the centre of Rochdale. (I just tell this anecdote to support my theory that Edward was living away for quite some time. - Could be totally off track though  )

I think an email to Library would be good and if possible if they could just check one of the later baptisms to see if there is an address.