Mill Bank, Rochdale

[Reiver]

I have been in touch with the local studies library at Rochdale but unfortunately they are unable to locate Mill Bank.

They were able however to add to my knowledge of the Ainsworts in the 1820s.  It seems that they were at Hamer Hall - certainly in 1823.

Regards
Reiver

[heywood]

Hello Reiver,

that's a pity    On the other hand, now you know a bit more 

There's not much about Hamer Hall by browsing but I have found Hamer Hall in 1851 - occupied by Thornton Littlewood and family (Flannel Manufacturer, Firm of 2 employing 192 men, 135 women, 12 boys, 26 girls.
At the same address but separate entry is a Richard Hurst and family, Cotton Spinner, Firm of 1 employing 40 men, 85 women, 41 boys, 35 girls.

Wonder what 'Firm of 2' etc means?

Looking Thornton L up in 1841, the address just says 'Howarth Cross'. I tried finding Hamer Hall etc by looking for other people in area, but they are at H C too      Same place? 
Howarth Cross seems to be on border of Butterworth. Hope that Mo may be able to look into this with street index.

regards
heywood

[heywood]

I know I place great emphasis on the fact that the younger Ainsworth children have Manchester as place of birth, although baptised in Ogden.
However, Frederick and Sarah Law's child, Frederick was born 1839 in Rochdale.
Lancashire BMD has his birth as sub-registration district Wuerdle and Wardle which covered Hamer and you said that Frederick was living in Hamer Cottage at the time of marriage.
Just for information 

[Reiver]

Thanks Heywood
I knew that he was born in 1839 in Rochdale - but not where.
When I started many years ago I was given lots of details information by my mother's cousin.  This was well before it became relatively easy to obtain certificates via computers.
Certificates then cost £13 each 

You did say that the Ainsworth children claimed to have been born in Manchester.  Which branch was this?  Certainly I know that Abraham Stott and at least one one of his daughters lived in South Manchester in the early 1900s.

Still, Hamer Hall is becoming more intriguing.  I know that Edward Ainsworth may well have had financial difficulties well before he sold Wicken Hall in 1827.  But to move to Hamer Hall???.    I believe it was 'Hamer Hall and Mill'.  I wonder whether Mill Bank (mill bank) was a property associated with the Mill at Hamer.  The Mill house?

Obviously more to find out.  I do have one or two sources that may come good at the end of this week 

Regards
Reiver

[heywood]

Hello again,
I wondered the same too re Hamer/Mill Bank but can't find evidence. I went through the district covering Hamer Hall in 1851 but couldn't see anything re Mill Bank nor Hamer Cottage where Frederick Law was living. Lots of Hamer... houses for workers though on census.
Browsing 'Hamer Cottage' on internet reveals rehabilitation care home - in the right area but I assume rebuilt now.
There is this on Old Maps http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx -you can see Hamer Hall/Mill/New Mill etc.

Re births:
1841 has Edward Ainsworth and family in next entry to Frederick Law and Sarah.
Of those children -see earlier posts:
1851- Eliza Ainsworth 19 yrs niece - born Manchester   living  at Pit Bank

1851 HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 208; Page: 56

(Lodgers in Birkenhead)
Ellen Ainsworth 23 yrs b Rochdale
Ann F -do- 22 yrs b Manchester

(with Jesse and Hannah Ainsworth)

the birthplaces of Ann and Eliza (the two youngest) indicate that the family may be in the Manchester area by 1830 ish although the baptisms are at Ogden still.

However Frederick and Sarah both seem to be in Rochdale area in 1838 - He in Hamer and her Butterworth. Now I think from reading that Butterworth/ Weurdle and Wardle abut each other in areas - intriguing 

[heywood]

Hello again,
I wondered the same too re Hamer/Mill Bank but can't find evidence. I went through the district covering Hamer Hall in 1851 but couldn't see anything re Mill Bank nor Hamer Cottage where Frederick Law was living. Lots of Hamer... houses for workers though on census.
Browsing 'Hamer Cottage' on internet reveals rehabilitation care home - in the right area but I assume rebuilt now.
There is this on Old Maps http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx -you can see Hamer Hall/Mill/New Mill etc.

Re births:
1841 has Edward Ainsworth and family in next entry to Frederick Law and Sarah.
Of those children -see earlier posts:
1851- Eliza Ainsworth 19 yrs niece - born Manchester   living  at Pit Bank

1851 HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 208; Page: 56

(Lodgers in Birkenhead)
Ellen Ainsworth 23 yrs b Rochdale
Ann F -do- 22 yrs b Manchester

(with Jesse and Hannah Ainsworth)

the birthplaces of Ann and Eliza (the two youngest) indicate that the family may be in the Manchester area by 1830 ish although the baptisms are at Ogden still.

However Frederick and Sarah both seem to be in Rochdale area in 1838 - He in Hamer and her Butterworth. Now I think from reading that Butterworth/ Weurdle and Wardle abut each other in areas - intriguing 

Who were the witnesses at Frederick and Sarah's marriage? Do they offer any clues? I was thinking that if she was staying with someone other than her parents, she may have them as a witness 

[heywood]

Hello Reiver,

I don't know how wide you are casting your net but just an update on Ann F, Sarah's sister. Also you may have it from your relative but I found it interesting -being an Oldhamer 

1829- Ann Francis baptised Ogden
(I've already given her in 1841 and 1851)

1858- Marriage Ann Frances Ainsworth to James Yates

1861 RG9; Piece: 3018; Folio: 105; Page: 24
living with uncle Jesse and Hannah Ainsworth (James is a medical student)
Anne F born Salford 1832 

1871 RG10; Piece: 4101; Folio: 23; Page: 39
Annie T born 1829 Salford
James is a General Practitioner Graduate of Aberdeen

1881 RG11; Piece: 4079; Folio: 123; Page: 30
James is the Mayor of Oldham    Married but no sign of Ann

1891 RG12; Piece: 3309; Folio 116; Page 31
James is married but - no sign of Ann

and the same for 1901.

They are living at Pit Bank all the time.

[Reiver]

Thanks Heywood for the extra detail.

As a Oldhamer (Old Hamer    )you may wish to find out more about Jesse and Hannah who were at Pit Bank.  If you do a visit to Oldham Library may be in order.  It is a long time since I have been and so cataloguing / indexing may be completely different. But is was from the library that I found various newspaper articles about his 'antics' in and around.  I know also he wed Hannah at Gretna Green.  I think Edward had the foresight(?) to make her a Ward of Court and Jesse got into trouble.

Just a thought 

Regards
Reiver

[wlfndl]

my great great grandfather Jonathan Woolfenden died at pit bank, 1850