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James Craig Christina Millar details
« on: Saturday 10 October 09 11:41 BST (UK) »
James Craig (b approx 1815) married Christina Millar (b approx 1815) in Govan  on 21 Sept 1835. Does anyone have access to James' and/or Christina's parents? I have their children. It seems Christina died around 1854-55 - just after having James Craig Jnr or Jessie Craig her daughter?
Would appreciate a start on their lineage before 1835.
thankyou

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Re: James Craig Christina Millar details
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 October 09 12:07 BST (UK) »
Hi flametree5

Are these the children you have - from IGI and the Census:

BIRTH: Christian Walker CRAIG b 11 Feb 1837 Govan (IGI)
BIRTH: Isabella McInTosh CRAIG b 6 Jul 1837(sic), chr 4 Aug 1838 East Parish, Greenock, Renfrew (IGI)
BIRTH: William CRAIG b 7 Jun 1840 Govan (IGI )(twin?)
BIRTH: John CRAIG b 7 Jun 1840 Govan (IGI) (twin?), died between 1841-1844,
BIRTH: John CRAIG b abt 1844 Partick/Govan
BIRTH: Mary CRAIG b abt 1846 Partick/Govan
BIRTH: James CRAIG b abt 1852 Partick/Govan
BIRTH: Jessie (Jean? Janet? Jane?) CRAIG b abt 1854 Partick/Govan

I believe, the IGI is in error is giving a birthdate of 1837 for Isabella, it is probably 6 Jul 1838.
If she was born in 1837, then Christian Walker CRAIG cannot be (if she is theirs).

It seems they had 2 sons named John, and the first one died. It was common practice to name the next born child of the same gender, the same as the deceased child. The John age 1 on the 1841 Census who has no clear surname written down (apparently) maybe the twin of William CRAIG age 1, listed above him.

Link to other topic for Census details etc
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,411531.0.html

Particularly in the earlier records, the more common form of Christina was "Christian". The IGI does not soundex these together. So you have to search each seperately.

Scottish naming pattern would suggest:

James' parents are:
Isabella (maybe McINTOSH) and William CRAIG (2nd daughter & 1st son)

Christina's parents are:
Christian (maybe WALKER) and John MILLER (1st daughter and 2nd son)

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AMBLY
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Re: James Craig Christina Millar details
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 October 09 12:21 BST (UK) »
The IGI has the following (extracted records)

Parents named: William CRAIG and Isabella (Isabel) McINTOSH (MacINTOSH)
Issue:
1) Ann CRAIG  - chr 5 Oct 1804   West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
2) Isabella CRAIG  - chr 24 Sep 1809   Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
3) Christian CRAIG  - chr  11 Oct 1812   Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
4) James CRAIG - chr 4 May 1815 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
5) William CRAIG - b 8 Jun 1823, chr 10 Aug 1823, Gorbals Lanarkshire
The list of children may not be complete - large gap between James & William)

MARRIAGE (extracted) : William CRAIG & Isabella McINTOSH
19 Nov 1803, Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew,

If James married his 2nd wife Mary in 1855 or later, that marriage record should have the names of both his parents to confirm the above (which looks very likely) otherwise his death should have, since he died after 1855.

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AMBLY
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Re: James Craig Christina Millar details
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 October 09 12:36 BST (UK) »
You are a gem! Thankyou so much!


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Re: James Craig Christina Millar details
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 October 09 13:35 BST (UK) »
But wait,  there's more  ;D  ;D

The 1861 Census for James, with his 2nd wife Mary:

1861:155 Dumbarton Rd, Partick, Govan, Lanarkshire
Parish 646/2, ED 23, pg 35, HS 207
Head: James CRAIG 46, Spout?? Merchant? ** b Greenock, Renfrewshire
Wife: Mary CRAIG 45,b Inchman, Renfrewshire
Son: William CRAIG 21, Ship Carpenter, b Kelmhaugh, Lanarkshire
Son: John CRAIG 17, Ship Smith?? (App), b Partick
Dau: Mary CRAIG 15, b Partick
Son: James CRAIG 9, Scholar, b Partick
Dau: Jessie CRAIG 7, Scholar, b Partick
Niece: Mary BUCHMAN 21, Domestic Servant, b Partick

(** James' occupation is actually a bad transcript of "Spirit Merchant" (see following) -  on  earlier Census he was a Shipwright or similar, he still may have been in 1861 as well as dealing in Spirits as a "home'" business).

Noting the neice in 1861: transcribed as Mary BUCHMAN.
This is an 'odd' name and the immediate thought is that it's  supposed to be BUCHANAN.
Which it is and she is probably a Niece to Mary (or could even be a daughter) - as follows:

IGI Marriage:
James CRAIG & Mary BUCHANAN
11 Aug 1854, Govan, Lanarkshire

James died in 1861 sometime between the Census and 31 December:

Scotlands People - WILLS section:
Inventory dated 31 Dec 1861 - Glasgow Sheriff Court Inventories
James CRAIG, Spirit Merchant residing at 155 Dumbarton Road in Partick near Glasgow.
Spouse of Mary BUCHANAN or CRAIG.

The 1854 marriage and 1861 Death and the Inventory can both be downloaded from Scotlands People.
But the marriage occurred before Civil registration - so it may not tell you much at all,  and probably won't tell you anything about his parents. It may mention he was a widower but may not name the first wife.

So the death record is the one to get, hoping the informant (Mary?) knew the names of his parents! It may also mention the name of his first wife.
I think it will be this one:
James CRAIG age 45 - death registered Partick, Lanarkshire 1861

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

This also tells us:
Christian MILLER, his first wife, died before Aug 1854.
Jessie CRAIG the daughter born about 1854, may be Mary's. But also possible Jessie was born some time in 1853 to Christina and James remarried within a  year of Christina's death.

In any case. Christina's death is before Civil Registration.

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: James Craig Christina Millar details
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 October 09 18:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks-I checked Scotlands People death record and yes, you were right, his parents named: William CRAIG and Isabella (Isabel) McINTOSH
Theres a 1854 death for CRAIG, CATHERINE (O.P.R. Deaths 646/00 0466 GOVAN) on 23 Dec in Partick aged 30; possible this is Christina?

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Re: James Craig Christina Millar details
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 10 October 09 22:38 BST (UK) »
Theres a 1854 death for CRAIG, CATHERINE (O.P.R. Deaths 646/00 0466 GOVAN) on 23 Dec in Partick aged 30; possible this is Christina?

Unfortunately not, I'd say - Catherine is not a form of Christina/Christian, and besides which James remarried to Mary Buchanan in August 1854.  Not all OPR Deaths & Burials are on SP.

I think, trying to find an MI for her might be the next thing to do? Perhaps a new topic (link it to this one) asking for a lookup of an MI for a burial in Lanarkshire - perhaps Parick/Govan - of a Christian or Christina CRAIG born around 1816-1818 who died between 1851 and Aug 1854?

I suppose there is also the faint hope there is something in the Inventory, that might make mention of someone MILLER who is part of his first wife's family

Cheers
AMBLY
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