Fatal accident in 1895, but cannot find any information

[sancti]

The teams could be Pollok Juniors, Barrow Town and Queen of the South.

Pollok are a team from Glasgow and Queen of the South are from Dumfries in the Scottish borders. Barrow is a town in England.

The team associated with not signing Roman Catholics is Glasgow Rangers

[andarah]

Rangers does sound familiar.

I'll have to ask my Dad again and write it down this time.

[harrywrag]

hi you could try e.mailing queen of the south to see if they had the name registered e.mail. admin@qosfc.com

[andarah]

I hadn't thought of that - thanks!

I have so much to learn! LOL

[andarah]

I don't think this will be of any use to you but I'll tell you anyway. My surname is Bradley, my dad's side are the Bradleys but I haven't looked into that side of the tree yet but I do remember talking with my granda one afternoon about his family tree and he definitely mentioned the name Devine. I'll ask him where the Devine comes into it, it may shed some light - worth a try.

I would appreciate learning what you find out.  Thanks for asking!

[MonicaL]

Hi Andarah

I have tried to find young William in the 1901 census without much sucess unfortunately. Tried the English census too with the names you have, but couldn't see much there either 

What information do you have on father John Bradley. His approx. age and place of birth would help when trying to find him in 1901, to check whether, as you suggest, he actually didn't die c. 1895

Just adding to your list of links of football clubs. This looks to be Pollok FC site www.pollokfc.co.uk (Sancti, impressed am I with your knowledge on footie clubs  )

Monica

Added: I'm right in thinking William was born in Glasgow?

[andarah]

Here's what I have for William:

born:  Jan 1895
Father:  John Bradley (abt 1867 - 1895)
Mother:  Elizabeth (Lizzie) McKay (1875 - March 16, 1895)
John and Lizzie married Dec 24, 1894.  They both lived at 45 Gladstone Place, Springburn Place, Glasgow prior to the wedding.
John was a blacksmith journeyman and Lizzie was a cotton milloworker

Wedding Witnesses:  John McKay and Mary (Lamb??)

John's father:  John Bradley, farmer - deceased prior to John/Lizzie's wedding
John's mother:  Ann Tweedley (I may have the last name wrong as it is not clear on the marriage cert for John/Lizzie) - deceased prior to John/Lizzie's wedding

Lizzie's father: William McKay, farmer (1846, Ireland  - ?)
Lizzie's mother:  Alice Devine (1853, Ireland - ?)

Lizzie's siblings:
John (1872, Ireland- ?)
Hannah (1874, Glasgow - ?)
Mary (1878, Glasgow - ?)
Willie (1883, Glasgow - ?)
James (1895, Glasgow - ?)
Patrick (1888, Glasgow - ?
Kate (1890, Glasgow - ?)

I would think that only John or Hannah could have raised him from the day his parents died.  My Dad thinks it was her sister, so probably Hannah and possibly Mary???  Maybe it was Alice, the grandmother, though.

That is absolutely everything that I know about this couple and the baby.

I will try Pollack as well.  Thanks!  I hadn't even thought to check on that. 

[MonicaL]

I think Lizzie's mother's maiden name shows as Denver looking at the image of the marriage entry for John and Lizzie (is it your tree on Ancestry?). There is also this entry for sister's birth on IGI:

HANNAH MCKAY  Birth: 09 AUG 1873  Springburn, Lanark
Parents:WILLIAM MCKAY and ALICE DENVAR

By Lizzie's death, again from the image on Ancestry, Alice shows as Devine. John  Bradley's mother, from his marriage entry, does look to be Tweedley (maybe some variants of this?).

I can't see father John in the 1901 census with an occupation matching that of blacksmith  At a guess, given his birth is not showing on IGI in Scotland, maybe an Irish birth for him?

Monica

[andarah]

I think Lizzie's mother's maiden name shows as Denver looking at the image of the marriage entry for John and Lizzie (is it your tree on Ancestry?). There is also this entry for sister's birth on IGI:

HANNAH MCKAY  Birth: 09 AUG 1873  Springburn, Lanark
Parents:WILLIAM MCKAY and ALICE DENVAR

By Lizzie's death, again from the image on Ancestry, Alice shows as Devine. John  Bradley's mother, from his marriage entry, does look to be Tweedley (maybe some variants of this?).

I can't see father John in the 1901 census with an occupation matching that of blacksmith  At a guess, given his birth is not showing on IGI in Scotland, maybe an Irish birth for him?

Monica

That would be my tree.

I have thought to look for John in Ireland, but I have no idea where to start.  Nobody knows anything about where in Ireland they are from.  I did find an entry for someone on Lizzie's side from Belfast, but that would be different from John. 

I had not yet found that entry for Hannah, and it's interesting that it also says Denvar.  I had assumed it was Devine because the Denver had been so difficult to read.

I wonder if John's Dad took off back to Ireland or simply left the area - I cannot imagine he was popular with his family if he dumped his kid and ran.  Of course, he was supposed to have died in an accident, but I am wondering if William was told that so that he didn't know his Dad deserted him.