Joseph Burnside, Cockerton

[lanelad]

Hi All,
          Firstly, i was impressed by all concerned in the search for info on Joseph etc. but now you have touched on double recordings. on Baps.
    This has bothered me since i found on IGI  one of my Merringtons MARRIED in Billingham and Durham Cathedral, same date. I later thought that maybe there were similar recs for baps, but in this case where the date is different is it caused by private baps, followed by a public one. I have just had a quick look on Google typing in "Private baptisms"and finished up on a British Genealogy thread "what is a Private Baptism" and its very interesting.
                                 Fred

[verezzi]

Yes I've had a few private baptisms on various lines- usually when the child was sick/disabled and so they were baptised at home, often the baptisms are marked in the original register as 'P' or * or 'Private' to indicate this, I've not had any twice but can see why they might be. Thanks also for the logical answer to my certificate question. Regarding IGI, I once spoke to a Latter Day Saints researcher and she said a surprisingly large percentage of IGI records are guesses rather than actual records- if they have a batch number at the bottom they are accurate, if they don't they could well be a guess- this was to explain a marriage I had for which the IGI had three different records for the same people with different years given and different places married at, turned out two were guesses based on later baptism records, only one had a proper batch number at the bottom.

Thanks for the info on Darlington resources, I have a very busy job and a very young family so travelling to Durham Archives is difficult for me especially with it being closed Friday, Saturday and Sunday, but I live in Stockton and Darlington should be easier, it sounds very useful.

Dan

[Preshous]

Hi All
I was going to mark this thread as complete. However given the amount of interest in the Burnside/s it seems to have generated I feel I must leave it open. I would like to thank everyone who has posted  .

I have found a marriage for a Joseph Burnsides to Elizabeth Close at Aycliffe, on 19th February 1765, this comes from the George Bell collection. I have searched the BTs for this marriage but I cannot find it as yet. I have long been convinced that an Elizabeth was wife to Joseph, and mother to the Brafferton branch of the Burnside/s clan.
The parish records for this marriage may well yield information, so if some kind person has access to these records then any info that is available from them will be gratefully received.

Gary

[Colin Cruddace]

Gary, Aycliffe records are held by Darlington library and I'll check the marriage next week unless Dan beats me to it Seamer records are not at Darlington (wrong County) but I think they are at Middlesbrough Archives and at Northallerton CRO.

Fred, nice to hear from you again. I was having a re-think about the double baptism and also thought a private baptism was more likely, but the second entry would usually be their acceptance into the Church, rather than another baptism. Perhaps Hannah was visiting when she unexpectedly gave birth to Joseph and the local vicar of Croxdale was called to perform a private baptism as soon as he was born and gave them a Baptism Certificate. For your double marriage, I wouldn't mind betting that they were married by Licence. I've come across a few like this, where they were married outside of their normal Parish(es) but the marriage was also entered in the Parish Registers. I have a theory that the marriage was anounced in the local Church to let Parisioners know, because of the absence of Banns publications, and the details then entered in the Register. This is supported by one of the entries having the words 'were married in this Church' crossed through.

Colin

[Preshous]

Thanks Colin any help in the Joseph & Elizabeth marriage will be most welcome. The Seamer baptism is not a top priority for me, it just happend to make it into my ever burgeonding excel document.

Gary

[lanelad]

Hi All,
         Sorry Colin but i have got in first! but it was your info in the first place!!!The marriage anyway.Joseph Burnside= Elizabeth Close, at Aycliffe 19feb1765.
 Joseph bp. St Andrews B/A 10apr1745. I have him born Aycliffe.
Elizabeth b. Aycliffe bp Aycliffe 18sep1742.
                              Fred

[Preshous]

Hi Fred,
Thanks for the marriage. My not so little excel book only has the one entry, and unfortunately its an extracted from the IGI, for Joseph baptised 10th April 1745 at Auckland, St Andrew to John Burnside.

Gary

[stroudie]

Hi Gary

Yes please leave it open. I am lurking on the fringes of Burnsides, having a very strong suspicion that my Mary/ Mary Ann Smith / Bradley?/Grout was Mary Burnside b 1831-4 Guisborough, but being unable to prove it. This post has enabled me to build up a picture of how this family operate and the difficulties encountered with establishing facts, names etc. I may never prove my point, but what I have read strengthens my conviction

Thanks to everyone.

Julie

[lanelad]

Hi All,
          Had to go, B- - - Phone again ! Colin, you were  likely right about Hannah (what has she to do with Houghton le spring) i am just trawling it for
John Burnsides b.1770 B/A descendants, including the inventor and the Pottery owner.
Yes you win ! the Merrington  marriage was by license. Good theory too!!.

We had a difference of opinion on the dreaded subject of the two Ambroses1778 and1779 as far as the 1841 census was concerned. Lately you inferred that i was right. Well thats gone, and its all good for the sake of helping to get things right.
What i want to do now is for us to try and sort these two out. I have racked my brain to find a solution, as the problem stands
Ambrose b Blackwell 1778 plus Ambrose b Blackwell 1779 Plus Ambrose b Blackwell joined the Durham Militia b circa 1780
HEY THATS THREE !!

Is there anyone else game, or do you want the rest of the details first.
                                   Fred
P.S you as well Julia