Joseph Burnside, Cockerton

[Preshous]

You have to wonder if that is the bishops transcriber's best shot at the original Parish record? or had Hannah been married before. I suppose the only way to know for sure would be to see the parish records. I must take the time to check some of these.
Image is on page 157

Gary

[Colin Cruddace]

Hi Dan and Gary,

I was at teh library and managed to check the actual Parish Register films. I'm sure the Burnside clan go out of their way to be different.

Denton Baptisms.
p27 entry 211, Nov 29th 1824, George son of George Cowley & Dinah Burnside, Walworth Gate, Labourer, As per certificate from the Revd. John Harriman Curate of Croxdale

p30 entry 233, Oct 16th 1825, Joseph son of Hannah Burnsides, Walworth, single woman, J Birkbeck Assist Curate

p51 entry407, Dec 9th 1832, William son of Michael Howe & Hannah Grenside, Bolam, Labourer, Thos. Peacock Curate

p61 entry 486, Aug 14th 1836, William son of Robert Burnsides & Mary Goldsbrough, Walworth, Labourer, Thos. Peacock Acting for the Curate

Gainford
Banns - p73 entry 145, Michael Howe of this Parish & Hannah Burnside of the Parish of Darlington, April 18th, 25th, May 2nd

Marriage - P85 entry 255, Michael Howe of this Parish & Hannah Burnside of the Parish of Darlington were married.... by Banns, this fifteenth day of May 1830, by me John Birkbeck Sub Curate of Denton
signed. Michael Howe X his mark, Hannah Burⁿside X her mark
Witnessed, Jane Thornton, Henry Lamb (both signed)

Colin

[Edit] Banns for St Cuthbert's are missing for 1820 - 1847

[Preshous]

Hi Colin
Thanks for the trip to the library. Its nice to be able to cross reference parish records with the BTs.
I am still happy to run with the 1825 Gainford Joseph via Hannah. Maybe its wishful thinking on my part but Gainford is close enough to Cockerton as to confuse any Burnside, given that young Joseph would have only 6 years old when his mother married Michael Howe. It looks like Joseph was farmed out to Great uncle Robert in order to make for a happy marriage.

Gary

[verezzi]

Hi,

Yes thank you very much for the actual records, I often worry about the BTs, is this Darlington library? I had no idea I could see the actual records there. I found it difficult to read the George Cowley reference, what is this Croxdale certificate business? I've never seen that before, does it mean he was baptised at Croxdale and if so why is it entered in the Denton register at all? Has anyone seen this before?

I also think the Gainford Joseph is right and the Houghton le Spring Hannah.

On a different note, by chance I found myself driving through Gainford last week, what a lovely little time capsule it is. On an annoying note I was wrong about Oak Tree Cottage in Walworth Gate, everything is there except the house itself which looking at it has to be a much more modern building. George Cowley's min 19th century home -Cabin House near Piercebridge was thankfully intact at least. It was nice to drive through these places after following this thread.

Regards,

Dan

P.S. sorry for getting the BT number wrong, Maths is not my strong point.

[Preshous]

Hi Dan
Re a baptism being in 2 places. I have come across it before and with a Burnside. Benjamin Burnside b1810  in Seamer Yorkshire (form IGI) and from the BTs for Hurworth on Tees (image 49) the same Benjamin Burnside baptised Feb 1811. Born to John & Jane Burnside (nee Rickaby).

Gary

[JayG]

Dan Darlington Local Studies Library hold various filmed parish registers (mainly Darlington area), census, maps, newspaper, etc.

Here's a link to their site

http://www.darlington.gov.uk/Education/Library/Centre+for+Local+Studies/localstudies.htm

Cheers
Jay

[Colin Cruddace]

Gary, sorry to contradict but Joseph was not of Gainford, nor was Hannah. When Joseph was baptised they were at Walworth and when Hannah was married she was Parish of Darlington, so probably no further than 3 miles from the Cockerton (Faverdale) farm. It's a fair bet to assume he is your Joseph as it all fits together very nicely.

Joseph could have been born and baptised at Croxdale, and the baptism noted at Denton which was Hannah's normal Parish of residence. Possibly a consequence of the Poor Laws should she be in need of Parish relief, but that's just conjecture on my part.

If these Burnsides are true travellers, I would be very wary of assuming that Benjamin was baptised twice, it could be a similar situation to Joseph. They might not be too bothered about bending civil laws, but when it comes to religion then that is a completely different scenario as most families are highly religious.

Dan, if you ever get the chance to call in at Darlington, you'll be surprised at what is available there. Jay's link gives a good idea (thanks Jay) but there is so much more that isn't listed. For instance there is a published alphabetical index of Gainford Registers which I was going to check on, but I ran out of time.

Colin

[JayG]

I agree Colin there's so much more there then the website lists tell you.  I've been working most weekends lately so not been thru for a quite, but was getting there most Saturdays & think I must of looked in most years of The Echo now checking obits!

Is there any references to any Burnside's in the card indexes, i've managed to pick up a few bits & pieces on some of my rellies via those that I wouldn't of normally.

Incidentally i've got a Burnside in my tree, tho he married one of mine so haven't done any research (Thomas Henry Burnside born June 1892 Auckland).

Jay

[Preshous]

Hi Colin,
I am not often 100% convinced with the IGI & the BTs but in the case of Benjamin they would appear to confirm a christening in both Seamer, 16th September 1810 to John & Jane, then the BT entry for Hurworth (indexed as Harworth) image 49, for Benjamin born in Seamer september 4th 1810 baptised at Harworth Feb? 1811 to John Burndside, Brazier, native of Darlington by his wife Jane Rickaby native of Hurworth. A second opinion is always welcome.

Edit: I should have mentioned the Seamer IGI entry is extracted. It would be nice to see if the original offered any more information.

Gary