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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #90 on: Thursday 18 February 10 15:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dan
To answer your PS first, no I can not find Hannah or Michael Rowe in any English census, not tried the Scotland census yet. I have checked both Gainford BTs (up to 1841)  for a birth or death of any one with the surname Rowe and found nothing. I also checked for a death for Joseph and got the same result. The 1841 census has 2 Joseph's one b c 1826 Durham and the other b c 1828 Yorkshire.
The 1851 census is the first census that I know for sure my Joseph appears. He is living with his first wife & child in his uncle (great uncle) Roberts home. Robert was born c 1779 in Brafferton to Joseph, this Joseph I believe is the father of Lavina b 1785 in Darlington. If I am right with that assumption then Hannah would be Roberts niece and her Joseph would be his great nephew. I know it is dangerous to assume anything in this game but this as close as I have come to finding my Josephs linage. Incedently the 1828 Yorkshire Joseph is also a great nephew to Robert.  Any thoughts welcome


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Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #91 on: Thursday 18 February 10 17:15 GMT (UK) »
I also ploughed through the Gainford BTs with no joy. Your reasoning seems sound as a working theory, be nice to have a common parent for Joseph and Robert though, or do you have that? Annoying that they are just 10 years shy of certification, a handy certificate might clear a lot up or muddy the waters some more.

I have a Joseph Burnside on an 1841 census of the right age working at a farm in Mainsforth north of Brafferton, also working at the farm is a Robert Burnside aged 60 but based on the 1841 rounding up this could be a bit different, is this your Joseph and great uncle Robert?

Dan
Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Taggart, Woodcock, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby
Yorkshire: Petty, Blenkiron, Stabler, Garforth.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Lincolnshire: Bavin, Cook, Graves/Greaves, Catten
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler
Ireland: Taggart, Workman.
Warwickshire: Commander, Betts.
Staffordshire/Worcestershire: Perkins, Commander, Plant, Nock, Guest, Hackett

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #92 on: Thursday 18 February 10 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dan
The Joseph on the 1841 census at Mainsforth is I believe my Joseph, However the Robert on the same census is not his uncle, I am not sure who this Robert is. Josephs uncle can also be found on the 1841 census however he is at cockerton with his sister Isabella West. She does not show in the index on a Ancestry search but the actual image confirms this. Isabella married Thomas West in 1795 in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire. I know Roberts father was Joseph but I have been able to find a mother for him or any of the other siblings, I suspect she will be Elizabeth but as yet I have not found a marriage for them. For the moment I am happy to run with Hannah as being my Josephs mother. Interestingly I have only found one birth of a Hannah Burnside anywhere close enough to be Josephs mother and that is the one born to Lavina in Dalton.

Gary
Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #93 on: Thursday 18 February 10 18:18 GMT (UK) »
As to Hannah, I had a thought and it's not a Rowe she marries but Howe!

Hannah and Michael are on the census together for 1841, 1851, 1861 also and it nicely ties a few things together by giving her place of birth as Dalton le Dale 1806 which I think confirms she belongs to the Lavinia/Lovehannah/Vina etc from there who is surely the one who marries George Cowley. Hannah goes off to West Auckland which is where Michael is from. I can't find them in 1871.

Dan :)
Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Taggart, Woodcock, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby
Yorkshire: Petty, Blenkiron, Stabler, Garforth.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Lincolnshire: Bavin, Cook, Graves/Greaves, Catten
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler
Ireland: Taggart, Workman.
Warwickshire: Commander, Betts.
Staffordshire/Worcestershire: Perkins, Commander, Plant, Nock, Guest, Hackett


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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #94 on: Thursday 18 February 10 18:39 GMT (UK) »
Howe could well be right there are a few of them in the Gainford BTs, it is strange that the BT entry is ever so clearly Rowe? Obviously even the Bishops copying servant was capable of mistakes, or did the curate of the wedding ceremony write it down incorrectly. I suppose we will never know.

Gary
Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #95 on: Thursday 18 February 10 19:13 GMT (UK) »
Dan
Looking at the 41/51 & 61 census I would say that this is Hannah & Michael no sign of a Joseph mind you. Looks like he was pawned off with relatives in order to make for a happy marriage. Perhaps Michael did not know about Joseph?.

Gary
Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #96 on: Thursday 18 February 10 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Yes it does say Rowe on the BT, I only thought because a Cowley later marries a Howe and I noticed the prevalence of them in Gainford and Denton. I've had problems with mistranscribed BTs before and on other occasions they've missed out a year, a lovely resource, but annoying at times. Trust it to be this line with all it's inherent problems, the Cowleys were easy to track except for the original George and Lovehannah who were a right pain until I found them in Denton. I still can't find the deaths of either to this day.

As to Joseph, he would be old enough to have moved on for work by 1841, he may have always lived with his Burnside relations though, perhaps sent to work for them? I find it odd that neither he nor his mum took on the name Cowley for appearances, nor did he take Howe. There's another odd child related thing with George and Lavinia Cowley in that their son George's first son John always lives with them on census, not his own parents and never migrates over to Billingham like the rest of his siblings. He eventually has a daughter called Lavinia the only time the original name is used for a child rather than Vina,Vinah, Vienna, Vianer etc. Very odd and not something I've seen before. George incidentally would be the same age roughly as Joseph despite perhaps being his half uncle. I'm sure there must be other children for George and Lavinia but I haven't found them yet. I can't read the Denton BT baptism for George but it is saying something about a certificate and Croxdale, perhaps they moved to Walworth from there.

Dan
Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Taggart, Woodcock, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby
Yorkshire: Petty, Blenkiron, Stabler, Garforth.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Lincolnshire: Bavin, Cook, Graves/Greaves, Catten
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler
Ireland: Taggart, Workman.
Warwickshire: Commander, Betts.
Staffordshire/Worcestershire: Perkins, Commander, Plant, Nock, Guest, Hackett

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #97 on: Thursday 18 February 10 19:50 GMT (UK) »
As you say the BTs can prove frustrating however I am still happy to run with the Joseph you found in Denton. It never ceases to amaze me of the amount of skeletons that fall from the family cupboard. I don't think appearance's mattered a great deal to the Burnside clan I think they had a like it or lump it attitude. I suppose now I would need to look for Lavina's mother, there are only two marriages for a Joseph Burnside on the IGI and one I know is for Roberts brothers second marriage, to Ann Gurdinson in 1828 in Stanwick, The other is actually transcribed as Joseph Barnside to Sarah Milles, at Wath Juxta Ripon, I think this the son of the first Joseph, but I have not been able to prove it. Still I shall continue to fight the good fight ;D.

Gary
Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #98 on: Friday 19 February 10 09:21 GMT (UK) »
Denton BTs:

William son of Michael Howe and Hannah Greenside of Bolam, father's occupation- labourer  Dec 9th 1832 P.167 Denton BTs

Greenside, now there's a new one... That's the only one I found when I checked back through but I was a little the worse for wear.

Dan
Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Taggart, Woodcock, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby
Yorkshire: Petty, Blenkiron, Stabler, Garforth.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Lincolnshire: Bavin, Cook, Graves/Greaves, Catten
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler
Ireland: Taggart, Workman.
Warwickshire: Commander, Betts.
Staffordshire/Worcestershire: Perkins, Commander, Plant, Nock, Guest, Hackett