Joseph Burnside, Cockerton

[Preshous]

Hi Julie,
I am pleased you have kept tabs on this thread, who knows what can, or will be, discovered about the Burnside/s clan. I for one will keep on searching, and building the Burnside/s family.

PS if anyone would like a copy of the excel document I have, which has IGI batch nos and BTs details wherever I have found them, then PM me I will gladly let you have a copy. I must warn you this is not for a single family but for every Burnside/s I have found information for in the north east c 1663 to c 1886, and is by no means complete.

Gary

[stroudie]

Hi Fred

Yes please. Can you recap the Ambrose details?

Thanks
Julie

[Colin Cruddace]

Hi Julie, if you are looking in the Guisbrough area for Mary's baptism, you could try Kirby Moorside. A lot of Burnsides seem to come and go from there.

Fred, why should we have had a difference when they all fit together like a jig-saw
Whichever Ambrose it was that married the widow, seems to drop from sight after the baptism of their son in 1803 so your reference to the Durham Militia might be relevant here.

Colin

[stroudie]

Hi Colin

Thanks for the tip. Hovingham (or Ovingham) features several times among Mary's contacts. I have checked it's parish registers with no joy, but Kirbymoorside will be worth trying.

Julie

[stroudie]

Actually, Just remembered. There is baptism for Mary Burnside at Guisborough 12th Oct 1831

[Colin Cruddace]

Hi Julie, I vaguely remember your problem with Mary. Do you happen to have her in the 1841 census?

The reason I ask is that there is a 10 year old Mary Smith in Aycliffe, shown as separate from the rest of the household. Just a few doors away is a Burnside household, who had a couple of Swales as neighbours (Potters!!). I think the Swales also have a link to Kirbymoorside.

Colin

[lanelad]

Mary Burnside bp12oct1831 guisbro
                       Fred

[Ceeoh]

Hi Stroudie

Just a thought - all roads seem to lead to "our" Mary having been a Burnside - however - she was obviously still in contact with the Burnsides at the time she married - witnesses at her marriage to Charles - so why on earth would she give her father's name as John Smith, ag lab, (it doesn't say deceased).

She gives her name as Mary Smith, single, father John Smith, Ag Lab.

Joseph Smith (son) c1856/7 we don't know, illegitimate or not?

Charles Grout must have thought she was single with an illegitimate son.

Charles Groat (1st son to Charles Grout) is baptised to Mary Smith a single woman.

The next two (John and George Henry) are baptised to Charles and Mary Grout (although they were actually illegitimate, born prior to Charles and Mary's marriage in 1869)

Can anyone come up with a "explanation" why she would have portrayed herself as a single woman with an illegitimate son  if she had a family (the Burnsides)?

Ceeoh

[stroudie]

Ceeoh - Yes, it defies all logic, but then it seems the way the Burnsides conduct their affairs often does! Mary Smith is not traceable with the details given, Mary Burnside disappears without any evident marriage or death, Mary Bradley with son Joseph makes a brief appearance with no collaborative marriage or registration/ baptism for Joseph. I know it's all circumstantial. Mary Smith/ Grout has some link with the Burnsides as she goes briefly to New Durham and they witness her marriage and she returns to Guisborough. There are more questions than answers! Why did she have 3 children with Charles Grout before marrying him? Why marry him anyway by that point?

Colin - Yes I did note the Mary Smith in Aycliffe in 1841. This is interesting as Mary Burnside and family are not found in 1841. This Mary would be the right age, but there is nothing to suggest her parentage. In 1851 Mary Burnside is in Guisborough with her parents Edward  b Yackley (I believe this is Aycliffe) c 1801 and Sarah b Bradford c 1804 and siblings. Edward is a licensed hawker