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« on: Wednesday 07 October 09 22:09 BST (UK) »
I have traced my family back to the marriage of Richard Wheeler and Mary Holden on 23 April 1843 in Amblecote. I also have further links beyond this date however I need to confirm that George Wheeler and Phoebe Mogg were the parents of Richard. Can anyone help.   

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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 22:57 BST (UK) »
Do you have a copy of the 1843 marriage cert showing the name of Richard's father

When and where was Richard born
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 October 09 09:53 BST (UK) »
Yes
It was the parish church of Kingswinford, residence at time of marriage Amblecote and his father stated as George. Wife Mary Holden and father Edward.

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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 October 09 11:46 BST (UK) »
Is Richard's age shown on the marriage cert. 

Do you have Richard and Mary on the 1851 census?

If yes - which county were they living in at that time

Where was Richard born
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)


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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 October 09 11:58 BST (UK) »
1851 - HO107/2035; Folio: 640; Page: 39 - Amblecote

Richards PoB is Staffs, Amblecote; he is 28

Mary's is Worcs, Oldswinford. 29


hopefully with parents on the 1841 ......
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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 October 09 12:01 BST (UK) »
How about:-

1841 - HO107/1002/Book 12 Parish of Old Swinford District - 12; Folio: 44; Page: 10
'Amblecote Bank'


all save George born in County
 
George Wheeler 40 some sort of Labourer, NOT born in County
Phebe Wheeler 40

Richd Wheeler 15 Potter (agrees with 1851)

Maria Wheeler 9
Jane Wheeler 6
Phebe Wheeler 4
Wm Wheeler 1
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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 October 09 12:16 BST (UK) »
possible for Mary, Father Edward - is his occupation tallying with the Marriage Cert detail ?

1841 - HO107/1198/Book 7 Parish of Old Swinford - District 21; Folio: 17; Page: 26
Hay Green

 
all state born in County (Worcs)

Edward Holding [sic] 45 Miner
Jane Holding 40

Mary Holding 19

Susannah Holding 17
Caroline Holding 14
Thomas Holding 6
Edward Holding 1
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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 October 09 12:22 BST (UK) »
Hi, this is probably information you have - but just to get things straight:

The IGI shows George Wheeler marrying Phoebe Mogg at Kinswinford in 1819.

The IGI shows daughters of George and Phoebe Wheeler named
Ann -1820
Mary- 1826
Elizabeth - 1829
Maria - 1832
Jane -1834
Phoebe - 1836

all baptised at Old Swinford.

There is also a Richd. Wheeler baptised in 1822 - the IGI has him as the son of Richd.  and Phoebe.  However there is no marriage of a Richard Wheeler to a Phoebe on the IGI, nor baptisms of any other children of a Richard and Phoebe Wheeler in that area. (There are two in Reading, in 1822 and 1823 - which would make it unlikely that it is the same family)

So the father's name may be a mistake in the transcription, or perhaps whoever wrote the original absentmindedly wrote Richd. twice.

In 1841 George and Phoebe Wheeler are in Old Swinford.   Children in the household are : Richard -15
                        Maria  - 9
                        Jane -6
                        Phoebe- 4
                        William - 1
George is an Ag. Lab.  Richard is a potter.
As the 1841 census doesn't show relationships we can't be sure that Richard is the son of George and Phoebe, although his placing in the list of household members suggests that he is:  nephews and nieces etc. tend to come after sons and daughters.

In 1851 Phoebe Wheeler  is recorded in Bobbington, Shropshire

Thomas Rowley head M 58
Maria Rowley       wife M  56                                      Claverley, Shropshire
Richard Wheeler  F-i-L W 83      Ag Lab              Worfield, Shropshire
Ann Felton  mother     W
Phoebe Wheeler S-i-L M 50       Ag lab wife         Swinford, Staffordshire
Phoebe Wheeler Niece U 19                daur         Swinford, Staffordshire

From this it seems that George's father is named Richard, so it wouldn't be surprising that his (George's) eldest son is named after him.

Also in 1851

Richard Wheeler born at Amblecote aged 28 is a potter - so this is consistent with the age of the Richard baptised in 1822, and with the occupation of the Richard Wheeler in 1841 (his age would have been rounded down to 15 in that census).





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Re: Wheeler surname
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 October 09 21:51 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone and thank you for the interest

Firstly, the marriage certificate of 1843 states that Richard Wheeler was a potter.
The details regarding the Holden family help to confirm the family since one of the witnesses on the certificate was Susanna Holden the sister of Mary.
Secondly, the 1851 census verifies a number of issues and Maria Rowley was Maria Wheeler who married Thomas Rowley in 1814 (igi) and Richard being listed her father. This points towards the marriage of Richard Wheeler and Mary Thorne in 1792 in Bobbington being the possible parents of George.

I have just searched the igi tapes C040273 - C040276 and using the surname Wheeler constructed the two generations of families(assuming the link is correct).

In 1844 George Edward Holden Wheeler was born (igi) this is constructed from the christian and surnames of the parents and the tradition continued for six generations.

I have greater confidence that George and Phoebe are the parents since both generations are in Old Swinfrod.