HANNIBAL / ANNIBAL or not puzzled

[carolynne.w]

possible
1861
RG9/2462/7/8
mary anniball age 59. b. belper. occ. seamstress. head.(wid)
william anniball age 34. b. basford. occ. labourer. son(mar)
sarah anniball age 31. b. nottingham. occ. lace runner. daughter.(mar)
emma anniball age 14. b. nottingham. occ. cotton factory girl. daughter
william anniball age 10. b. ditto. son
elizabeth anniball age 8. b. ditto. daughter.
mary.a.anniball age 2. b. ditto. daughter.
living at;tyler street,st.marys,nottingham
this is what the image says but i would think the children are the children of william and sarah and sarah is the daughter in law rather than the daughter. 
 
 
 i was given this very kindly by a rootschatter and its thrown up a puzzle for me .

listed is  Emma Annibal/Hannibal  aged 14 on the 1861 census as you can see with her parents, 10 years later 1871 the parents (surname now spelt AUNIBAL)have a grandchild living with them called
Ellen Thompson aged 2 so going on this i assumed her mother must be Emma but she is not present.

now i can find the marriage on bmd for a Charles Thompson and Emma in nottingham, but the Emma's surname is Ramsdale.they are a couple on the 1871 and  on the 1881 i find Charles and Emma Thompson with their Ellen all living together. so i am assuming i have the right family.

hope you can follow me on this bit.

Emma's parents listed as William and Sarah (annibal, hannibal or aunible) are listed on the 1851 as married but i can only find one marriage  for a William Hannibal and a Sarah ramsdale in 1855. i can find no birth for Emma under any of the four surnames  nor can i find her with them on the 1851 census.

am i missing something here, please need some fresh eyes to give this the once over! i am working on Emma been born before they were married yet they have a child called Robert with them on the 1851 !

help please

Carolynne W.

[Annie65115]

I have searched the Notts FHS cd's and come up with this so far:

Baptism 2 Nov 1873; Nottingham St Paul; 3 children of Charles and Emma Thompson of Union St (Ellen, Edward and Francis) -- so that's your family though that's not much help with the marraige!

I'll keep looking.

[Annie65115]

I have looked but to no avail.

I can't find baptisms for Robert or for Emma with parents William and Sarah, or even just a mother Sarah, with any surnames that look as though they might match. In fact, I can't see any likely baptisms for any of the children!

The marraige between William and Sarah in 1855 on the CD has S's surname as RAMSDALL - I have looked to see if she had been married previously with Ramsdall or -dale as her first married name, but there's nothing on the CD to align with that idea either.

If anything else comes to mind, I'll let you know.

[cire]

Just a thought.
 Have you looked at Honeyball, or Honeybone or variants as the surname?
Eric

[Annie65115]

I searched using the soundex option which gives names I wouldn't have thought of - Hemley, Hamblin - no joy there. Of course there will be others which the soundex doesn't come up with.

[cire]

Hi Annie
There is a gap of 6 years between the birth years of Elizabeth and Mary Ann Hanniball in the 1861 census, which together with your search problems could mean that William's first wife died and William married again, to Sarah Ramsdall in 1855, and she was the mother of Mary A.
So now you only have to find his first marriage!!!!!!!!!!! There is a William Hannable married in Manchester in Dec qtr 1846, which might line up with the birhs of the earlier children. There are 4 possible brides for ths marriage

Elizabeth Banham
Mary Ann Hale
Hannah Taylor
Hannah Wild

Might be worth looking in the 1851 census, with this in mind. I don't have access to the complete 1851 census at present.

Eric