Llansilin Parish Record Lookup - Wood(s)

[Earle]

Seek birth/baptismal info concerning a Godfrey or Geofrey Wood(s) born in the Llansilin area of Denbighshire c1836.
Thank you.

[Gadget]

Hi Earle

He's definitely down as Godfrey Woods, aged 35, a harpist on the 1871 in Flintshire:

RG10/5669/54/24

I've checked the Llansilin records (they are on the IGI www.familysearch.org )  for around about his birth year but he's not listed. This may indicate that his family were non-conformists or he was baptised eleswhere.

Have you found him on the 1841/1851 censuses which might give an indication of his parents. Also, his marriage certificate to Mary A would give his father's name.

The North Wales BMD site have a marriage for Geoffrey Woods with a Mary Anne Simon on the same page - St Mwrog and St Mary, Llanfwrog, 1857.

The full GRO ref for this is:

Sept quarter, 1857, Ruthin, vol 11b, page 471 (his name written as Geofrey Woods)

This location fits with the birthplace of the eldest child, Elija) - aged 12, b. Ruthin on the 1871.

The family seem to have been mainly in Flintshire over the period 1861-1871.


Regards


Gadget

[Gadget]

Ahhhh - Just found this on the Nat Library site:

(3) THOMAS WOOD ,   b. in a barn at Llan-y-bydder, and d. at Ruthin at the age of 95. He had nine children, among whom may be mentioned (a) ROBERT WOOD, a harpist frequently encountered at Glanbrân; (b) JEREMIAH WOOD, harpist, buried at Llanrwst; (c) ADAM WOOD, harpist (father of the harpist GODFREY WOOD), who was buried at S. Asaph; (d) SAIFORELLA WOOD, mother of the MATTHEW (‘MATCHO’) WOOD, from whom Sampson obtained much of his recorded gipsy folk-lore — Matthew d. at Bala, 2 March 1929, ‘aged 86,’ and was buried at Llanycil. 

  my emphasis

http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-WOOD-SIP-1500.html


He is also mentioned on the Romanygenes site, but I can't get the link to work!

romanygenes2.webeden.co.uk/walesscotsirish/4526932613



I found some interesting bits about the Wood(s) family recently:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,407908.0.html


I wonder if he was part of this line ?



Gadget

[Earle]

Hello Gadget,
You are a gem.
Godfrey (Geofrey on marriage cert.) did in fact marry Mary
Anne Simon on 7 Jul 1857.  I have a copy but therein is my problem - all printed references to Godfrey and his brother Elijah list the father as Adam Wood as you show in above message.  But, Godfrey & Elijah's marriage certs. list their father as Jeremiah Wood.  I have been trying to obtain birth records to clarify who the real father is.
I have not found Godfrey or Elijah (b. c1840) in the 1841 to 1861 censuses.
The above brothers are descendants of the Abram Wood gypsy family line.
Much appreciate your help.
Earle

[Gadget]

Hi Earle

You've no doubt come across these baptism at Llansilin (IGI extracted):


24th July 1821 Mary d/o Thomas Woods and Salvina

9 July 1823 John s/o Thos Woods and Salvina

1st October 1823 Theophilus s/o Jeremiah Woods and Anne

27 April 1828 Robert s/o William Wood and Eleanor


I'll check through my earlier Llansilin records (IGI online ones are only from  1813) and get back if I can find anything. 

From the ref given in my previous message ( http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-WOOD-SIP-1500.html ), it would seem that there are at least two Jeremiah Woods - the son of Valentine Woods( John Abraham Woods) and the other would be  the son of Thomas Woods, son of Valentine, and brother to Adam.

I'm wondering if it might be best to see if this thread might be better moved to the Travellers Board as there are some people there who are far more knowledgeable about the Woods family than I.

I'll PM one of the Mods for advice.


Regards


Gadget

[Gadget]

Hi again

I've checked out all my Llansilin records but can only find one ref to Wood(s):

Baptism 1st Feb 1770 Melliah d/o John Wood. Abode - Sychtyn


There is a Llansilin History Society. Contact details are given here:

http://www.local-history.co.uk/Groups/salop.html

They have been very helpful to me in the past and I'm sure someone there will know of the Woods family.

If I can find anything else, I'll be in touch.

Regards


Gadget

[Earle]

Hi Gadget,
I have sent an email to Mr. Burton at the Llansilin History Society concerning Godfrey Wood and family.  Will keep you informed.
Best wishes,
Earle

[king otg]

Hi Earle,

With reference to your Reply #3, all speculation, including most of what is in print, emanates from Dr John Sampson's ABRAM WOOD pedigree which was written up by E O Winstedt in JGLS (3) 13. It contains numerous errors, some pointed out to me by descendants of those who are named.

The errors made at the time of publication are caused largely by Sampson no longer being alive to supervise it but other errors were made in the collection of the material. For example, Manfri Frederick Wood, whom there is no reason to doubt, wrote that his grandfather, Frederick Wood, was wrongly omitted from the ABRAM WOOD pedigree.

There is more about this in The A TO Z Of Gipsy Genealogies: Part One which is a free download provided you do not pass it on to anybody else.

So, with respect to the marriage certificates of Elijah and Geofrey WOODS, the details come from a primary source so they are much more likely to be correct than from the recollection of a distant relative like Matthew WOOD.

[Earle]

Hi again Gadget,
Contacted Mr. Burton and he was not able to clarify the problem of Elijah & Godfrey's parents.  He put me in touch with Lord Thomas who has a connection with the Wood family.  He sent me a copy of the Wood pedigree by Dr.
Sampson which shows Adam & Ellen Wood as parents of
Elijah & Godfrey.  He stated that, "probably nobody knew
who was whose father."
I am now back where I started - but, your rationale makes the most sense.  If I could just find their birth/baptismal
records.
Thanks again for your excellent assistance.

Earle