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Re: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help!
« Reply #63 on: Monday 02 November 09 00:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Monica,
COuld you tell me how to find the certificate?  It was suggested that if they were married in a church, then she most certainly would have signed it, but I don't know how to find out where they were married.

Do you know how to find out who was living at the 6 High Street where Annie Dowlilng was a servant?

Trying to make a connection with the New Quebec Street and/or Scott.

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« Reply #64 on: Monday 02 November 09 13:35 GMT (UK) »
Wherever people marry, they sign the register or leave a mark 'X'.

The General Register Office Indexes are just that, an index. They point the way for you to order the cert either from a local register office or the GRO at Southport.

If they married in a register office, you won't get to see the signatures, only a transcription made by the registrar on the copy that is supplied.

If they married in church, again you get a transcription but you may get to see the actual signatures if the registers have been deposited in a local archives for safekeeping.

The London & Middlesex Anglican parish registers deposited at the London Metropolitan Archives have been digitised and transcribed onto the Ancestry web-site.

There isn't a match for Annie Teresa Dowling & Edward Harry Houchin at Marylebone. Which means they married in a register office, or they married in a Catholic church, Quaker meeting house or synagogue or the registers haven't been deposited for safekeeping.

The only way to know for sure where they married is to purchase the cert from the GRO at Southport (www.gro.gov.uk) and then follow up from there.

If you can get access to the 1911 census, you can search on the adress to see who was there for 1911, but that might be too early for you.

In 1916 women weren't eligible to vote and the registers weren't published because of the war, so there won't be an entry for her on the electoral registers.

Kelly's or other street directories don't give detailed lists of who was residing at a premises, generally only the 'head' of the household.

Sorry I can't help you take your request any further forward at this time.

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Re: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help!
« Reply #65 on: Monday 02 November 09 14:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Dawn.  I've ordered the marriage registration.

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Re: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help!
« Reply #66 on: Monday 02 November 09 15:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kathy....sorry I haven't replied to your email...

Just had a little look on the 1911 census...

You gave another address on the email: 6 Fairmead Road...
In the 1911 census, this address had as head of house: Louisa Caroline Watts M (11yrs) Age 42 Occ: Midwife Nursing home.  She has her 4 children living with her, and 3 patients, one of which is a single girl, aged 25 who is a barmaid.  So this place looks like a private place where Annie Teresa Dowling would have had her baby. (Other patients include an army pensioner and an elderly widow).  The set up makes me think that Annie would have had to have had a certain amount of money.

The other address had 2 possibles on the 1911 census....although as already said, this may be too early to be relevant.  But the households were as follows:

6 High st, St Pancras - Tremlett Family - Head, (Occ: Accountant) wife & 2 kids (17 & 18, and both employed)  but no servants.

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6 High St, St Pancras - Crump - Head - Harriet Crump, widow aged 60, Occ: Confectionery living with single 19 year old daughter - but no servants.

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Re: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help!
« Reply #67 on: Monday 02 November 09 15:21 GMT (UK) »
Or the father would have had the money or an employer who made arrangements.


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Re: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help!
« Reply #68 on: Thursday 05 November 09 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Just found this and got sucked in....

Quick question - are we now fairly confident the child that is described in the letters is probably Mona Julia Dowling? ie. does the birth date match on the birth cert? Is a place of birth given?

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« Reply #69 on: Thursday 05 November 09 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Hello...yes although there is another child born about 6 months later that we haven't ruled out.but can't find that one later or the parents.  I feel quite certain, though, that this might be the right child.  I am just waiting now for confirmation.

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« Reply #70 on: Thursday 05 November 09 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Just found this and got sucked in....

Quick question - are we now fairly confident the child that is described in the letters is probably Mona Julia Dowling? ie. does the birth date match on the birth cert? Is a place of birth given?

best wishes
dilly

the child was Mona Julia, but Mona Dowling was just Mona Dowling, no Julia.  Just to clarify :)

From what I have understood, by word of mouth, the birthplace was Highgate, but the real Mona Julia never had a birth cert, so her date and place of birth has never been totally certain.

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Re: Scott/Adoption/1919..need help!
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 05 November 09 14:03 GMT (UK) »
We, of course, might never know how the Julia got attached to her name .. whether from birth mother..or adoptive mother.