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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 October 09 04:29 BST (UK) »
I have found a copy of James Henry's death certificate from family. It says he was born in ?Melbourne(handwriting not real good) Victoria, and that he was 21 years of age when he married - and he married at Tasmania.

Thankyou for your assistance.
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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #10 on: Friday 30 January 26 01:32 GMT (UK) »
Is anyone still following this page? If so, I think I may be able to help in our enquiry. I think your James Henry Richards is the brother of my Great-grandmother, Sarah Ann Richards. I have been able to follow his parents and sister over two generations, but our 'Jimmy' disappeared when he was about fifteen. If this page is still active, I would be more than happy to share our information with you.

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« Reply #11 on: Friday 30 January 26 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dot,

Welcome to RootsChat neander had asked us to delete her membership which is why she shoes as a guest, she not longer wanted to be updated on any of her topic I am afraid.

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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 February 26 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou Sarah. I thought , because of the time between the date of the first post and my catching up with it, that I might be too late. But it is what it is. Thanks.


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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 17 February 26 23:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sarah, I started thinking after reading my reply to you yesterday, and I am wondering if there would be any benefit in my posting my information about James Richards on this page on the off chance that, as James had more than one child, there may be other family members still looking for him who may be able to relate to it or find it of interest. Thanks.

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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #14 on: Friday 20 February 26 01:07 GMT (UK) »
I have been searching for our James (Jimmy) Richards believed to have lived  for a considerable part of his adult life at West Wyalong, and I believe he is also the James Henry Richards who was being discussed on these pages over a period of several years.

Our Jimmy was the son of two Tasmanian convicts - James Richards and Lydia Miles (born Vial). They were married in Launceston in 1848, returned to England and next appeared in 1853 heading to Melbourne from England onboard the Hanover. This was when their first child, Sarah Ann (my Great Grandmother) was born. Her birth is registered in Victoria.

Their second child, James (Jimmy) was born on 25/11/1860 in Inglewood, Victoria. At that time he did not have a middle name. His family were following the gold fields and his birth was registered at Moonambel.

Both parents died in 1868. Sarah was just 15 and was working as a house maid at Snizort, Clunes, Victoria. The owners of Snizort took Jimmy into their care and both children remained at the station. Then Sarah moved to Mooroopna North, Victoria, in 1875 to work as a housekeeper. We don't know if Jimmy, who would then be 15, went with her. Sarah married John Osborne in 1878 and moved to his selection in Drumanure, Victoria. Again, we do not know if Jimmy went with Sarah, but we do know that they kept in touch. We have a photo of Jimmy as a very young man which we believe to have been taken at about that time.

The next we know of him, and it was many years later, was that Jimmy was living in West Wyalong, and had an adult family. My grandfather, Jim Osborne, kept in contact with his cousin (Jimmy's daughter) Lydia Young, until he passed away in 1948 and my father took over and maintained the contact with her until the end of her life in 1963. My father then continued the correspondence with Lydia's daughter, Mona who, I think, was living nearer Sydney. My father died in 1983, and I believe the correspondence had dwindled to just Christmas cards until it had stopped sometime before then.

We have no knowledge of Jimmy's life in the intervening years, but it would make sense that he might return to Tasmania because his parents had many friends and acquaintances there because they had lived there for so many years. Jimmy's father, James Richards, was a convict there for at least seventeen years, and, during that time he spent a considerable amount of time working a for a family named Deveraux. The discussions I have already read on this page suggest that James Henry Richards from West Wyalong was married to an (Elizabeth) Ada Deveraux, had a daughter Lydia (married name Young) and a grandaughter named Mona. I appreciate that this may all be a coincidence, but I think there is enough there to warrant another look.

James Richards (Snr) came to Tasmania 1833 on the Surrey 3, as a result of a gaol clearance at the Surrey Gaol. He was only a very young teenager and I canot find his family named anywhere on his papers.

Lydia Miles arrived in 1841 on the Royal Admiral. Lydia's family name was Vial but she was known to the police as Miles, and that was the name they charged her under. All her records, with the exception of a petition for clemency lodged by her father, are under the name Miles. Her court case is recorded on the Old Bailey website.

Thankyou, and I do hope that this resonates with someone as we would dearly like to find our Jimmy.




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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 February 26 07:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Waranga Dot.
I have found your story very interesting, though I am not related in any way.
I certainly cannot say whether the James Richards being sought by Neander and your chap are one in the same, we should note note a couple of things..

The Launceston marriage of James RICHARDS and Lydia MILES was 1844, not 1848.
James was granted a Conditional Pardon 1846   

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65944295?searchTerm=%22james%20richards%20surrey%203%22~3

There was an application for Lydia in 1847
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/category/newspapers?keyword=%22lydia%20miles%20Royal%20Admiral%22&l-state=Tasmania

I have not  seen Absolute Pardon for either.
Have you?

The main Condition of a Conditional Pardon was of course that you could not leave Australia.
Do you have more information on how they managed to return to England?
You needed Absolute Pardon to undertake that expensive journey!

If I have read correctly, there seems to be no children to this couple from their marriage in 1844, to the birth of Sarah Ann in 1853 on the Hanover, followed by young Jimmy 7 years later.

There is a discrepancy in the age of Lydia at her marriage.
Lydia 23 at marriage in 1844 (b1821)
And Lydia on the ship in 1853 27 (b1826)

Do you have any record of her baptism?

The information on the Death Certificates you have cited look to be scant. >:( by looking at the death index Vic BMD

Could you list all the details that are on them please.


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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #16 on: Friday 20 February 26 11:26 GMT (UK) »
I was thinking the same as Sue - I wonder how they would have had the means to return to England.  I think they left Tasmania for Port Phillip in 1848 on the Elizabeth, though Lydia is recorded as 'Jane' on the passenger list.

https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Digital/POL220-1-1/POL220-1-1P019

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65977766?searchTerm=richards

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Re: RICHARDS Family - Tas, NSW
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 February 26 07:01 GMT (UK) »
That is interesting Debra. :)

In case Waranga Dot is intending to reply further to their post I searched into the death of Malcolm DAVEY.

He was the husband of Elizabeth Ada DEVEREUX who later partnered with the James Henry RICHARDS according to earlier posts.

The death had not at that time of those earlier posts, been located.

Firstly, this snip gives the whereabouts of Elizabeth and Malcolm DAVEY in 1890
1890 Elizabeth Ada DAVEY suffers an assault in her camp at Zeehan/Strahan
Her husband Malcolm DAVEY arrives on the scene. A court case.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12705430?searchTerm=%22malcolm%20davey%22
So still with him in 1890.

Death and inquest of Malcolm DAVEY 1904, a prospector at Nth Dundas. No mention of wife or children
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9690051?searchTerm=%22malcolm%20davey%22

"When in the hospital last year deceased gave his age as 69 years,
and his birthplace at Mt. Nelson, Hobart"

So, knowing from the few details on James Henry RICHARD's death certificate given that he was married in Tasmania, and knowing from her death certificate and other documents that James' wife was Elizabeth Ada, it looks as if we have the same woman.

Records of birth of children to James and Elizabeth begin in Victoria in 1895 with James Ernest so it is possible that Elizabeth did not know Malcolm had died and therefore did not marry James RICHARDS

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