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Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« on: Wednesday 30 September 09 14:31 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have a marriage between John McKethney and Ellen Holt on 3/12/1848.  The certificate says 'Marriage solemnized at the Catholic Parish Church in the Parish of Manchester in the County of Lancaster.'  Can anyone tell me where this would have been in Manchester and whether it still stands?  Thanks, Kit
Rimmer/Appleton/Ashcroft: St Helens, Lancs // Cul(le)y:St Helens & Little Bolton // Stott: Huyton Quarry & Sutton, Lancs
Carson:Belfast? & St Helens // Kelly:Mullingar, West Meath? & St Helens // Ronan: Ferns, Wexford & St Helens // Daley:Oranmore & Athenry, Co Galway //
Cunningham: Heworth, Gateshead & Widnes & St Helens, originating Ireland
Edgar: Bellie, Moray // Anderson: Selkirk // Rutherford: Hobkirk, Roxburghshire //
Stewart: Angus // Watson: Moray & Jamaica // Watt: Cairnie

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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 17:55 BST (UK) »

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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 October 09 08:32 BST (UK) »
According to LancsBMD that marriage was at  Manchester Cathedral

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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 October 09 09:08 BST (UK) »
Velpremus - thanks for the link, I enjoyed reading the history.

Hi Pathway - it's interesting you say that as someone with the same relatives has told me the same.  I presume Cathedrals are used in the same way as a local parish church?
Rimmer/Appleton/Ashcroft: St Helens, Lancs // Cul(le)y:St Helens & Little Bolton // Stott: Huyton Quarry & Sutton, Lancs
Carson:Belfast? & St Helens // Kelly:Mullingar, West Meath? & St Helens // Ronan: Ferns, Wexford & St Helens // Daley:Oranmore & Athenry, Co Galway //
Cunningham: Heworth, Gateshead & Widnes & St Helens, originating Ireland
Edgar: Bellie, Moray // Anderson: Selkirk // Rutherford: Hobkirk, Roxburghshire //
Stewart: Angus // Watson: Moray & Jamaica // Watt: Cairnie


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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 October 09 14:47 BST (UK) »
With the exception of Jews and Quakers all marriages that were not "Church of England" were not considered legal  under the Lord Hardwicke Marriage act of 1754.

Your couple would have got married at the Cathedral and then had another service at the catholic church.

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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 October 09 17:26 BST (UK) »
I'm still very new to this FH research and not religious at all (although both parent and extended family were catholics) so all this information is fantastic. So the second service would have been held at the church you kindly provided the link to?  I'll certainly need to check these out when I'm next in St Helens and take a trip over to Manchester.  Cheers, Kit, Edinburgh
Rimmer/Appleton/Ashcroft: St Helens, Lancs // Cul(le)y:St Helens & Little Bolton // Stott: Huyton Quarry & Sutton, Lancs
Carson:Belfast? & St Helens // Kelly:Mullingar, West Meath? & St Helens // Ronan: Ferns, Wexford & St Helens // Daley:Oranmore & Athenry, Co Galway //
Cunningham: Heworth, Gateshead & Widnes & St Helens, originating Ireland
Edgar: Bellie, Moray // Anderson: Selkirk // Rutherford: Hobkirk, Roxburghshire //
Stewart: Angus // Watson: Moray & Jamaica // Watt: Cairnie

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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 October 09 17:32 BST (UK) »
Does the certificate say 'catholic' or could it be an abbreviation of cathedral. The cathedral was once the parish church

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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 01 October 09 17:44 BST (UK) »
Mmm, good question.  I have it in front of me and its difficult to say.  It certainly says 'Cath.' and after the dot, a letter/symbol that looks like 'll' but a bit more open at the top like a capital V, so it looks like ...... the Cath.V Parish Church ..........  His hand writing is a bit curly and flourishing.  Does it mean anything to anyone?

I should have said, John is from Scotland and his grandfather was a Church Minister in Inveresk, Midlothian.  Until I do more research, I would expect that to be Church of Scotland, so I expect the Catholic angle doesn't really fit does it?
Rimmer/Appleton/Ashcroft: St Helens, Lancs // Cul(le)y:St Helens & Little Bolton // Stott: Huyton Quarry & Sutton, Lancs
Carson:Belfast? & St Helens // Kelly:Mullingar, West Meath? & St Helens // Ronan: Ferns, Wexford & St Helens // Daley:Oranmore & Athenry, Co Galway //
Cunningham: Heworth, Gateshead & Widnes & St Helens, originating Ireland
Edgar: Bellie, Moray // Anderson: Selkirk // Rutherford: Hobkirk, Roxburghshire //
Stewart: Angus // Watson: Moray & Jamaica // Watt: Cairnie

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Re: Manchester Catholic Parish Church - 1848
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 October 09 18:48 BST (UK) »
As a Catholic myself,  I cannot go along with the statement that a Catholic couple would go thro' a wedding in a CofE Cathedral and then a Catholic church later on!   Surely they would have opted to "live in sin" as their faith would be compromised and they themselves would feel that they were not "married".   Surely this must be a CofE couple being married in a church of their faith,  either a local one associated with the Cathedral or the Cathedral itself!

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