SHORLEY & STUBBLES

[bedfordshire boy]

Florence Stubbles seems to have married Walter Jones in Kensington in 1897, and in 1901 in Kensington,  Florence Jones 27 born Paddington was living with her mother Elizabeth Stubbles 67 born Durweston Dorset.

Where does Elizabeth Shorley born 1848 Renhold come into the equation?

[polidor]

johnP

If your GR contact is Marilyn then she has Florence's birth cert..

Yes, that's her

bedfordshire boy
Where does Elizabeth Shorley born 1848 Renhold come into the equation

Good question. from the message she sent me months ago she was certain that Elizabeth Shorley had married a Richard Stubbles and they went on to be parents to Florence.
The recent message i had from her seems to throw that all into question!!!

I can't follow this up for a couple of weeks, am off to the airport in 2 hours but will certainly continue with this Stubbles/Shorley saga when i return  poli

[Ausmaz1]

Hello, i have had some communication with polidor on the subject of E lizabeth Shorley.
The reason i believe she married Richard Stubbles is that i have a birth certificate for Florence Stubbles b:8 may 1873. address on the certificate was 14 windsor street. The father is named as Richard Stubbles and the mother's name was Elizabeth Stubbles formally Shorley.
as i needed comfirmation of the mother i got the birth certificate of Florence's brother Richard W Stubbles.
on his certificate the father was Richard and the mother was Elizabeth Stubbles formally Kerley.
The address was the same as that on Florence's birth certifiacate.
That is why i think i had the wrong Elizabeth.
I got the marriage cert for Richard and Elizabeth. On it Richard Stubbles and Elizabeth Kerley were married on the 23 Aug 1857 in Reading.

[johnP-bedford]

hello Ausmaz & welcome to RootsChat

Is the 'formerly Shorley' on Florence's birth certificate completely legible or could it be Kerley ?

14 Windsor Street, Paddington is where the family was living on 1861 & 1871 censuses

Do you have (or are you going to get) the birth cert of son John b 1877 Pimlico. There are 2 other contacts named Dixon on GrU with him in their tree, have you contacted them to see what they know

regards John     

[Ausmaz1]

hello john,
yes i had already decided to order the birth certificate of John. i had thought that the name Shorley could have been mis-spelled, but after comparing the "S" in the name of both Shorley and Stubbles they looked identical. will have to wait and see what John Stubbles mother's maiden name was. i will let you know how it went.
regards Ausmaz1

[polidor]

Hello Ausmaz1,

I'm glad you found us on Rootschat. After you and i had 'talked' via G.R i thought i would turn to the Rootschatters for help about the Shorley- Stubbles question. There are always people willing to help and i'm as interested as you, to see if you can get some answers.

You say---
I got the marriage cert for Richard and Elizabeth. On it Richard Stubbles and Elizabeth Kerley were married on the 23 Aug 1857 in Reading

Do the names of the witnesses on the marriage cert give any clues atall?

poli

[Ausmaz1]

Hello poli,
the witnesses on the marriage certificate are Charles Aaron Stubbles and Adelaide Ried.
Richard had a brother Charles b; 1831
i will have to be patient and wait for the birth cert to arrive, i am pretty sure though that it is going to show that the mother was" Kerley" and not "Shorley" even though my cousin insists that Elizabeth Shorley is our ancester. time will tell.

Ausmaz1

[Ausmaz1]

hello again,
i have just received the birth certificate for John Thomas Stubbles. His father is named as Richard Stubbles, railway porter and his mother is named as Elizabeth Stubbles formally Kerley.
So i am happy to say that my great-great grandmother was in fact Elizabeth Kerley and not Shorley. Now i have to convince my cousin of that.
I now have to find out if Elizabeth's mother was Mary Barns or Mary Ann Barns, both women married a John Kerley.
I know that Elizabeth's father was a basket maker and a parish clerk.
thankyou to all
Ausmaz1.

[polidor]

Glad to hear that you finally have your answer. poli.