SHORLEY & STUBBLES

[johnP-bedford]

 
Yes, Eliza's parents were indeed John Copperwheat & Alice nee Hills.

They married at Blunham on 24 Dec 1821 & also baptised daughter Martha on 15 May 1822.

There was also a Martha Copperwheat married to William Hills on 19 Dec 1818 at Blunham. Martha may be John's sister but I have not checked if Alice & William Hills are related - but I bet they may well be.

John baptised 2 June 1800 & Martha 'Freshwater' in 1792 are children of Thomas & Elizabeth nee Reed who married 4 Aug 1789. They also had Charles in 1790, Letty 1794, Ann 1802,  Thomas 1806, plus a Eliz(abeth) & Williiam also baptised on 2/6/1800.  Thomas was buried 1807 age 1 year. 

[johnP-bedford]

I'm a bit perplexed that she didn't seem to know where she was coming from, so to speak.

David,    Alice Copperthwaite was buried Blunham age 20 on 8 Dec 1824, 5 months after daughter Eliza's christening. I wonder if father John them moved to Kempston.... ?

[bedfordshire boy]

I think that Polidor's GR contact has got wires seriously crossed. Just looking at the 1881 census seems to blow holes in the Stubbles/Shorley marriage. Florence born in Kensington registration district in the June quarter 1873 seems to be aged 7 in 1881 living in St George Hanover Square with her widowed mother Elizabeth Stubbles age 47 and siblings aged 23 (Jane b Reading) to 4. Elizabeth was born in Blandford Dorset, so seems to be the one that Carole found in 1871. There's a death of Richard Stubbles age 43 in St George Hanover Sq in March 1881.

There's an 1857 marriage in Reading of Richard Stubbles and Jane Kerley. There's an Elizabeth Kerly baptised in Blandford Forum in 1834, daughter of William and Jane. Elizabeth Stubbles eldest daughter was Jane. Elizabeth is consistently shown as born in Dorset in 1861-71-81 so I don't think there can be complications with second marriages

Any connection to Elizabeth Shorley born 1848 in Renhold escapes me! Florence's birth cert would prove or disprove my theory, which is just that - an untested theory.

Perhaps the GR contact can explain the logic. Does she have Florence's birth cert? Might there have been a Kerley/Sherley/Shorley bit of creative thinking? Doesn't explain the age/birthplace discrepancy though.



David

[polidor]

I have sent a message to my GR contact asking her where she got her original information from regarding a Stubbles /Shorley marriage. Also has she any certs to back up her findings. If and when she replies i'll let all of you know.

Seems to me that she might have leapt to a few wrong conclusions.

As the Copperwheat angle  is of interest to me too, i'll continue to see if i can come up with a few answers.

I greatly appreciate all the searches you've done on our behalf.
poli

[johnP-bedford]

Interestingly James Shorley is son of William Shorley & Letty Copperwheat, whose marriage on 27 Oct 1815 at Blunham are in names of William SHAWLEY & LATITIA Copperthwaite. 

Also I use Genes Reunited & searched for James Shorley & found him in a tree I have access to, of a contact named Barry Ainge, who also has in his tree someone named Caress who is linked by marriage to my Partridges of Staploe. So I assume the Caresses link to the Shorleys somehow - therefore I also must be surely linked to the Shorleys - small world isn't it.

[polidor]

Elizabeth Shorley is rather a distant relation for me --3rd cousin 3 times removed--yes it is a small world. poli

Does your James have a brother John and were his parents William b:1791 and Letitia b:1796. The address for these two is Renhold, Bedford

The bit in red is part of the first message i had from my GR contact.

[johnP-bedford]

According to Barry Ainge's tree, that is correct. John Shorley was baptised Renhold 15 April 1821 & married Charlotte Lumbis there on 11 July 1859.

Poli, I would suggest you contact Barry on GrU as he has loads of Shorley & Copperwheat names in his tree. He descends from John & James brother William baptised 23 Mar 1817 Blunham. Their father William was baptised in Great Barford 25 Nov 1787

[johnP-bedford]

If your GR contact is Marilyn then she has Florence's birth cert..

see....

http://boards.ancestry.myfamily.com/thread.aspx?m=1309.2&p=localities.britisles.england.dor.general&sort=desc

[bedfordshire boy]

Interesting link John. Census evidence seems to rule out Elizabeth from Renhold, so I still wonder if the "formerly Shorley" actually says "Kerley"