SHORLEY & STUBBLES

[polidor]

I am trying to verify a 'possible' marriage between ELIZABETH SHORLEY & RICHARD STUBBLES. No date for marriage but am guessing perhaps between 1868--1878 ?

Elizabeth was b 1848

BUT--to confuse --Elizabeth Shorleys birth on Family Search shows her born1848 Renhold Beds. with parents ELIZABETH & JAMES SHORLEYand i have her born to ELIZA  Copperwheat & James Shorley!!

Also, I say 'possible' marriage' because this info was passed on to me and i like to do my own checking before adding to my tree and cannot find via Family search or Free BMD etc any marriage for these two. If this request for a lookup is too vague then i will understand if it's a 'no can do' poli

[CaroleW]

but am guessing perhaps between 1868--1878 ?

How did you arrive at that time span?

If they had children - what were their names and when/where were they born

Do you have one of the children's birth certs confirming Elizabeth's maiden name

The only 1871 entry for a Richard Stubbles with a wife Elizabeth does not match your profile

Richard was b 1838 in Reading and Elizabeth 1833 in Dorset

[bedfordshire boy]

I wouldn't worry too much about Eliza/Elizabeth. The IGI has an extracted marriage in Renhold between James Shorley and Eliza Copperwheat in 1846, and then a baptism in Renhold of Martha in 1847, mother Eliza, followed by another Renhold baptism on 1848 of Elizabeth, mother Elizabeth, then back to mother Eliza for William in 1854. It's pretty clear that it's the same family.

Why do you think Elizabeth Shorley married Richard Stubbles, other than someone told you? Have you found them in any census?

In 1871 she was a servant aged 22 born Rennoll Beds in Marylebone, so that cuts down the possible marriage dates, and completely rules out the 1871 Stubbles couple that Carole found and had ruled out. But I can't find a marriage or death for her, nor can I see her in any subsequent census

David

[polidor]

Thanks for the replies  bedfordshire boy &CaroleW-----reason---i had Eliza Copperwheat & James Shorley in my tree with just the one daughter Elizabeth.
A contact from GR some months ago gave me info about Elizabeth marrying R.Stubbles. This info i had not yet added because i had not checked them for myself--they were both sitting in the 'maybe' notes.

The GR contact mailed me again yesterday asking if Elizabeth & Richard were actually married --i think she must be having second thoughts-- i replied to her that i would try to find out for sure if Elizabeth HAD married a Richard Stubbles and began by double checking her parents marriage and her own birth .

The time span--well basically i just thought that Elizabeth would marry--if indeed she did, somewhere between the ages of 20 & 30.

The only 1871 entry for a Richard Stubbles with a wife Elizabeth does not match your profile

Yes, i came across that one--not sure which direction to go in really now--i think my best bet now is to get in touch with my GR lady and ask her why she seemed so sure of the E.S & R.S marriage in her 1st message from months back     poli

[bedfordshire boy]

The Shorleys had other children in Renhold, and then in Kempston and Bedford, if you do a parent search on the IGI. In 1861 they were living in Clapham Rd Bedford, indexed on Ancestry as Sherley, with seven children born in Renhold and Kempston.

One assumes that your GR contact must have found something which has escaped us, as presumably it's not just pure fiction!

Interesting that all GR trees and Ancestry trees show her birthplace as Blunham, yet in all censuses she gives her birthplace as Kempston. What do you show? Have you found her in 1841?

David

[johnP-bedford]

who is she we are looking for in 1841 David ?

or is it in 1851 where Anc* has them mistranscribed as Thornley living in Renhold, that James & wife Elga ! that is who is born Kempston, the others are from Renhold.

& 1841 James is mistranscribed as Shanley.

Surely they can get Shorley not being Sherley, good job James didn;t marry a Shirley 

 cheers John

[johnP-bedford]

On the marriage in Renhold, Eliza Copperwheat names her father as John

The IGI has baptism of Eliza Copperthwaite at Blunham on 25 July 1824 to John & Alice

On 1841 an Eliza Copperwheat age 15 is a female servant on a farm in Tetworth, Hunts just accross the county border a few miles from Blunham. The census says she's not born in county

[bedfordshire boy]

That's the she I was looking for in 1841 John. Obviously a mistake to confine my search to Beds! I'd found them in 1851 badly transcribed, which confirmed that in all censuses with a birthplace it was Kempston, so notwithstanding that the marriage father, John, ties up with the Blunham father, I'm a bit perplexed that she didn't seem to know where she was coming from, so to speak.

David

[polidor]

  John P-bedford--"The IGI has baptism of Eliza Copperthwaite at Blunham on 25 July 1824 to John & Alice"

Yes, Eliza's parents were indeed John Copperwheat & Alice nee Hills.
Eliza married James Shorley in 1846 and we know there is a birth for daughter Elizabeth in 1848--did she marry Richard Stubbles though?

My GR contact sent me in an earlier message, the info that Elizabeth married Richard Stubbles presumably before 1873 because she told me they had a daughter Florence b MAY 1873. This marriage is apparently now in dispute as she has asked me if i had a marriage for Elizabeth & Stubbles.

I don't have Elizabeth married as yet in my tree so i told her i would look into it.

I truly don't know where she got her idea that Richard Stubbles married an Elizabeth Shorley in the first place. I will Pm her and ask.

The Shorley name seems to get a lot of variations everywhere which doesn't help