German Pork Butchers in Britain

[Schoch]

Hello Histres,

Amazing information re the Vogtherr connection. I had read in a previous post ( I think Swissgill) that this family had gone to New Zealand but did not know some had remained in the UK.
Now if I can match my Schoch to the  Oesterlein butcher from 1897 to 1901 then another piece of the puzzle will be complete. 
Looking forward to your friend visiting Ohringen later this year. Other children may include Karoline, Rosa and maybe a Karl.  I had discussed with my wife about a trip there myself but it is a little expensive from Canada.

Regards
Richard

[0113vanny]

i've really enjoyed reading this story unravel!   It's wonderful.

[Schoch]

Hi Everyone,
This is a document I found online showing names of those who left various villages and towns in Germany in the late 1800's. https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/struktur.php?bestand=17515&klassi=&anzeigeKlassi=030.006&letztesLimit=unbegrenzt&baumSuche=&standort=




Richard

[Histres]

Hello Richard,
Thank you very much for posting this link. As I think that it is very useful, not only for you, but for all those who are searching their Württemberg or Hohenlohe ancestry I am giving a few hints, how to find the names of interest. The only pity is, that it is not said, which destinations the emigrants had, if it was the USA, England or other countries or states.
The lists show the names of those emigrants who applied for emigration and were released from their Wurttemberg citizenship. This means that there are some emigration documents of them kept in the archive. If you send them the signature and the name, they can send you copies of these documents. These you have to pay for and you need someone who can read the old German script and translate the texts.
The lists do obviously not contain the names of all emigrants as there were also many persons who left their home country illegally.
If you have only a name of your ancestor you go to point 30. Staatsangehörigkeit and follow the path to 30.6 Auswanderungen. Give in the name and they offer you all villages from which a person with such a name emigrated. If you know the name of your forefather's birthplace go to point 30.6. and chose the district capital, e.g. 30.6.10 Oberamt Künzelsau. Choose "alle" on the top right and scroll down to the village of your choice. There you will find the year of emigration.
Best wishes
Histres

[rothermelbird]

Hi Richard
I have had some messages via my website from someone who originally came from Nottingham but is now living in Spain, I just wondered if there are any links with your family? I can't trace any links with German Pork Butchers.

"Any light on Master Butcher Henry Rands Hodson from Wellingborough 1890 on?
Henry Rands Hodson had a butchers shop at 36 High Street,Irthlingborough in 1911
Since the family came from Earls Barton/Finedon/Irthlingborough/Wellingborough it is possible his outlets could have been in any of this places. He was well heeled. He was preparing to set up in Canada.
Their were 3 sons and a daughter from Rands and the daughter married an Allebone. Alieda VT came over as an au pair. The Hodsons actualy migrated from Upwell in Norfolk.
Interestingly, Jane's father was a pork butcher supplier and might well have come into contact with your family.
Also my family came from Germany and settled in Spittlegate. They came from Hessen and the name was Ditzel
Henry J R Hodson
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Van Tiggelen
    Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1925
    Registration district: Wellingbro'
    Registration County: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Huntingtonshire, Northhamptonshire

I think that James T Hodson had shops in Winstanley Road, Wellingborough  and. his son in Irthlingborough
 
I saw the name Scohnot which was a shop my father in law called in as a rep.His name was Herbert "Tiny" Hodson.
 

I have just been reading through your Rothermel history notes which convince  me that the Hodson family would have known the Rothermell family both in Northampton and Nottingham. Unfortunately my parents are both dead and did not leave any diaries.
 
The name Scohnot? was probably Schonot? and was listed in your notes somewhere.
 
After working for his father Tiny Hodson worked for a man called Alfred Bach who was a pork product supplier. Could he have been German?"

So many questions I cannot seem to answer, the Schonot surname is so similar to yours!
Any ideas??

Best wishes

 

[Schoch]

Hello Rothermelbird,

Schonot .... Schoch  Looks like I will have to check into the origins of the names to see if they are "linked".   My Grandfather did have a shop in the Hull area (I think), which is north of the towns you have mentioned, so it may be possible.  Proving this may take a while 
Once I have the family firmly anchored in the Ohringen area then this will be the next "project" to search.

Thank you for the information, I'll post any progress I make in this 

Richard

[Schoch]

Hello Histres,

Found this reference for WW1 Hull, UK Pork Butcher Shop

http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/discover/pdf/20195%20First%20World%20War.pdf

Hohenrein Family (c.1873-1998): [L DBHR] Family of German Butchers in Hull: Including correspondence relating to GW Hohenrein‟s time in a prisoner of war camp in Germany and anti-german sentiment in England – The family changed its name to Ross and closed their prosperous butchers shops until after the war.

The link is in the Hull University and I do not have access to it.

Regards

Richard

[rothermelbird]

Hi Richard
I drew a blank on the surname these people gave me but found plenty of Schochs from Germany some having pork butchers shops in the east end of London/Essex, plus in the north of England. I also drew  blanks on the Rands Hodson side. On reading your last post it is quite clear why our German connections were so sensitive from the first world war and through to the second, many were interned and lost their businesses.
Best wishes
Rothermelbird

[SwissGill]

I think it would be more likely that the name Schonot is actually Schonhut?