German Pork Butchers in Britain

[rothermelbird]

Re Schoch
Hi RichardI don't know whether you are a member of Ancestry.co.uk but two or three people have family trees covering your branch of the Schochs. Ohringen is right in the middle of the area from which most of the young people emigrated from Wurttemberg. Frederich came over in 1896 when he was 16 his father was a Master Butcher. In 1901 he was working as a shop assistant for Carl WV Voghler?? Pork Butcher in Sunderland who had many other Germans working in the shop. In 1911 he was working for Mary Dorr widow of George Dorr Pork Butcher both born Germany.
 He was interned between 1914 and 1919 like many other Germans in the UK, he described himself as a Horse Slaughterer.
On one family tree his grandfather is listed as Johann Schoch and his grandmother Margarete Rosine Reithel
Sorry if you already know all this, but it was all I could find, if you're not a member of Ancestry I could contact the owhers of the Private Trees on your behalf. Otherwise you could contact the Wurttemberg archives which I believe are all held in Stuttgart (that's where all my Rothermel family are listed)

[Schoch]

Hi Rothermelbird,

I think that was my tree you have found. The connection in Germany beyond my GGrandfather ( [Heinrich]Christian Schoch) is speculative at best (obtained from Family Search) with no "proof" by way of documentation, to back it up, and it is this that I am looking for.  Hoping to find GG's butcher shop details in Ohringen or his marriage to Karoline Osterle(in) and what happened to the family after my G/father left the country.  Yes I know.. a lot to ask for (can't blame me for dreaming can you).  I think I mentioned that I have the copy of a handwritten note delivered by the Red Cross in WW2 from my G/father (Friedrich A L Schoch) to his sister Karoline (Lina) Schoch, who was still in the old counrty (in Baden), and her brief reply. The note is very "touching" and I felt they had a close bond but to my knowledge they never met again after he left for the UK.

Thanks for your help

Richard

[rothermelbird]

Hi Richard
So you probably know all there is to know at the moment!
It all takes time. I have been researching my Rothermels since 2006 and it's only recently that things are really coming together. If your family were anything like mine the German connection was never mentioned. We made a trip out there to the village where my ancestors lived, also to the church where they were baptised. By chance we met an old lady in the village who was very helpful. Little by little we pieced things together. I think you need to get in touch with the archives in Wurttemburg and perhaps search through the trade directories to find out about the Butchers shop. I will ask my German friends in Stuttgart if they have any ideas for you.
Best of luck!

[rothermelbird]

For all of you who are interested here is how to trace your ancestors in Wurttemberg through the Archives

[SwissGill]

Hi Richard,

Nice to see you on here.

This excellent article will give you an idea of why and how the German pork butchers came to GB:

http://www.surrey.ac.uk/cronem/files/conf2009papers/Wuestner.pdf

It was written by Histres who has contributed so much to this thread.

Gill

[Schoch]

Hi Gill,

Thanks for your last post.  Histres listed this as well.  Found it very interesting that so many from one area would emigrate to the UK around the same time.

Thanks for the Naturalization info (found it now in the Archives)


Richard

[Histres]

Hi Richard,
I realized that a Charles Oesterlein was a pork butcher in Osset, Yorkshire. He originated from Schwöllbronn, a village near Öhringen. It might be that this Oesterlein was related to Frederich August Louis Schoch, possibly his uncle and that your grandfather had someone there who he could go to. How old was your grandfather when he emigrated, have you got a birthdate?
I know a person who sometimes visits the Öhringen church archive. I asked him to look for the Österleins and Schochs when he will be there again. He promised to do so, but said that he will only be there again in June or July. But anyway, I think this can bring quicker and better information than you had got during the last few years.
Best wishes
Histres

[Schoch]

Hi Histres,

Thank you for you help in this;

My Grandfather was born in 1879 (29 August and I have a copy of the original certificate, my sister has the original) and he emigrated to the UK in 1896 making him 17.  Not sure where he landed but in 1901 he was working for the Voghher (Voghler) family in Sunderland. Later in 1911 he was manager for the Dorr family in Newcastle.  After the war he settled in Hull with his family (not sure he ever went back to his trade as his shop was seized when he was interred and he never got it back).
On the issue of Osterle/Oesterlein, is this just spelling varieties.? His birth cert. gives his mother as Karoline Osterle (with umlaut over the O)


Thank you for whatever information you can provide

Regards

Richard

[Histres]

Dear Richard,
The butcher, your grandfather worked for in Sunderland was Charles William Frederick (Carl Wilhelm Friedrich) Vogtherr. He was born at Blaufelden in 1873. His son Ernest George Frederick Vogtherr was born in Sunderland, England, on 18 February 1898. The latter emigrated to New Zealand in mid 1913 and founded a firm that cured bacon. The firm still exists in Hastings, New Zealand. You may google it, either using the name Vogtherr or Holly Bacon Company as keywords.
Other members of the family settled in South Shields in pre-war years.
Regards
Histres