German Pork Butchers in Britain

[SwissGill]

Hi 0113vanny

On surfing for my roving ancestors, I came across Bertha Steinbach born 1864, married to Anthony Bowman (Baumann) born Germany abt 1862, and the family was living in Crook, St. Catherine, reg. district, Auckland, Co. Durham on the 1901 census.

Children, Bertha, Julia, Matilda and Frida.

Mother Julia Steinbach, aged 71, was living with them.

[0113vanny]

thank you,  I have only recently found out about Bertha.   I have a photo of Rose and matilda as young women, taken in Ilkley,  rose must have been living by then in Otley and Matilda was in Hull.   My gran was named after Bertha.  (Rose's sister).   what I am trying to find out is the place where they lived or were born in in  in wurtemberg. 

[Histres]

Hallo 0113vanny,

As you mentioned Künzelsau as a possible origin of the Steinbach family I phoned the Künzelsau town archivist. But unfortunately he is on holiday at the moment until 2nd May. I will talk to him about the Steinbachs in May again and see whether he can find evidence in either the town's archive or the church archive to which he also has access. Depending on what he finds out we can possibly follow the newly discovered traces or try the other track with Schwäbisch Hall.
The question, however, is how you got hints on either Künzelsau or Schwäbisch Hall as a possible home town of the Steinbachs. I think you must also consider villages around these rural towns. Both towns were district capitals in the 19th century and therefore an emigrant got his emigration papers in these rural centres. That means that they could have mistakenly been named as place of origin in English documents.

Kind regards
Histres

[0113vanny]

thank you.   I think he was away on holiday last time you rang!!!!

will have a look why I think . . .. 

[0113vanny]

somewhere recently, I read about how the folk from Wurtemberg travelled to England, something about a new easier route opening up in the mid 1800's. .  can anyone tell me where I have read this?

[Schoch]

Wow,

I have to get out more..never thought there would be a "thread" for this subject (lol)

Anyway my grandfather Frederich August Louis Schoch was a butcher, as recorded in a 1901 census in Sunderland area.  I know he was interred during the Great War (not sure why they call it that though) with his UK born wife Ethel Schoch (nee Gibson) and their 2 children. After the war he set up shop in the Hull area but I have nothing on that yet.
He came from Ohringen, Germany in 1896.  I believe his father was also a butcher (Christian (Heinrich) Schoch) and I am trying to verify this fact and nail down any other relatives in that part of the country.
Any help would be gratefully received.

Richard

[rothermelbird]

Hi Everyone I just wanted to tell you what a great help Histress has been, he contacted my Rothermel descendants in Germany and now I am in contact with cousins I never knew existed. They have letters and correspondence from my great great grandfather dating back to 1871!
In 1888 he came to visit his two sons in Wellingborough and it appears they were friends with the Meyer family who had a large Pork Butchers shop in the town! Mr Frederick Meyer ( or Maier ) as it was spelt at the time, met my gggrandafther and took him sightseeing in London ! Later Meyer travelled to Germany and went to visit the Rothermels and took with him a salted ox tongue as a present from the shop. This points to the fact that although the Rothermels initially were pork butchers perhaps they changed to 'ordinary' butchers after a few years as there was too much competition from the Meyer's large shop? They all appeared to inter marry and bring over young staff from Wurttemberg to work in the shops. We now know from Histress that the Meyers were connected to the Frank
 Schoppler, Sperer, Hohenrein , Haag and Schussler families in the north of England if any of you are connected to these. I attach a copy of the original letter where my gggrandfather mentions Herr Maier and the sightseeing trip in London.
We cannot thank Histress enough for his great help !

[rothermelbird]

Hi Richard
This German Pork Butcher research is really addictive and with the help of Histres who has a large database of names and dates we are all finding out a lot more about our families. I will take a look to see if I can find anything for you
Best of luck!

[Schoch]

Hi Rothermelbird,

Tracing my Schoch family tree was why I got into ancestry research in the 1st place a number of years ago.  While the other branches gave fruit my own direct line stopped in Ohringen and I have had no luck in getting anything beyond the names of my GGrandfather Christian (Heinrich) Schoch, a Master Butcher, and his wife Karoline Osterle(in). Never occurred to me to try tracking him through his trade.
I have a birth certificate of my Grandfather Friederich August Louis Schoch from Ohringen b:29 August 1879, that lists his parents and religion (Evangelischer).

Anything you can show me will be more than I have found in 3 years or so.

Thanks

Richard