German Pork Butchers in Britain

[SwissGill]

Quote by Trizzie: By 1871 they were living in Bridgegate Rotherham and still Pork butcher.
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Hi Trizzie

Did you find Joseph Wolpert and his wife on the 1871 Census in Bridgegate Rotherham?
Looked myself on A....y but couldn't find it.

I'll try FindMyPast address search but have only got 17 credits at the moment - I'll see how far it goes.

Goöö

[Trizzie]

Hi Gill - Yes - Found them 8 Bridgegate on 1871 census a few years ago now.  Just been looking for the emigration record a second cousin sent me - unable to find it - think it was wrong anyway but she also sent me a copy of the birth cert of the Wolpert's first child George Thomas my grt Uncle. Hadn't noticed before (and had it a few years) he was born in Bridgegate July 1871 but at number 17!!!! Not number 8! Maybe that was where friends were who helped with birth etc because it's the actual place of birth recorded not the address where will live. 
Last week I met  someone who has researched Bridgegate - amongst other places in Rotherham including High Street - he's a retired history teacher.  His work is published. He told me where no 8 had been and of course it set me on the Wolpert trail again! He knew that the Wolperts Pork Butchers had been at No 8.. I can follow them from marriage 1870 (but nothing before) right up to their deaths. My dad lived close by same street etc until they died but spoke very little about them. - He did once say to me that not all German people are bad!    I went to the Rotherham archives for more info last week but they didn't appear to have any copies of the booklet containing Bridgegate. Booklets are about £6. Actually they were not very helpful at all in there!   Anyway I will email him this evening (two dogs needing walkies and shopping to be done) and ask if he can tell me who it was living in no 17 in July 1871 also if I can get copies of booklets. without going back to the library! Trizzie   

[Trizzie]

Hi Beth - Thank you. Yes have read link - not sure that my family were naturalized but will try to find out. Have feeling they were not. Trizzie

[Bethgem]

Good, I only wondered if you'd seen that thread. I have had loads of help on there in locating my relatives in Germany. Well, I'll leave you to your searches now. Best of luck, and all good wishes.
 

Bethgem

[Histres]

As I said I don't have a problem with Jewish but if someone has put my family on a list as being Jewish I would like to know why.

Hello Trizzy,
You may rest assured. Of course your Wolpert forefathers were Catholic and not Jewish!!
I went through all the lists on Yorkshire Jewry that were published in the Internet by Conrad Plowman and realized that by far most of the families mentioned were not Jewish. However they were of German origin and for some reason or the other Mr Plowman must have thought that all Germans having left their home country must have been persecuted for religious reasons, ergo they must have been Jewish. He obviously wasn't aware of other reasons for seeking a better life abroad. Especially those German pork butchers came to England because they had found the opportunity of making good money with their products in supplying the people in the fast-growing industrial towns of England's North.
If you send me an e-mail address, I will give you more information on the emigration reasons of the German pork butchers.
Best wishes
Histres

[johnbhoy]

Hi All, how is everyone doing. 
It's good to see so many people helping each other out. It seems ages ago since I started this thread, I hope some folk are doing good in their search for they're German ancestors. I've had to go to the NA researchers to pay for a search on CF Wall, but looking forward to some positive outcome.
Hi to Bethgem, SwissGill, Scrimnet, Berlin Bob and all the rest who have contributed to this thread.
Hey Histress, how you doing, my team were rubbish this season, hope you guys done better!!
All the Best, I'll update this thread if I get some news

Johnbhoy 

[Bethgem]

 :)Hi again johnbhoy. I have had some luck! Hope you do soon from NA.

A relative "found" me on here and another relative has recently "found" me from another website, so all in all, a success! I have told my relative who contacted me from that other website that I post on this thread. I hope he will find his way to it and sign up.

Histres has given his talk in Austria about German Pork Butchers and the emigration of food traditions in the wake of their migrations to other countries in the 19th century. I hope he will add something about it on here soon.

Cheers for now,

Bethgem 

[johnbhoy]

That's smashing Bethgem, you deserve it, you worked hard to trace your German roots and assist folk on this thread, good on you 

[Histres]

Hi Johnbhoy, hi Bethgem
I am doing well. However, as my job occupies me such a lot, there is little time for writing. And, as you already know, I was preparing a paper for a talk in Salzburg, Austria. The talk was on German butchers in Great Britain. At Salzburg there was an international conference on the topic “Migration and food”. It was organized by the “Association for the Research of Historical Migration”. I was very happy that my paper was accepted and so I invested a lot of time to provide some substantial insight. This was important for me, as the audience mainly consisted of university doctors and professors. They were very impressed to hear that by far most of the "German" pork butchers came from a very restricted Württemberg area called Hohenlohe. No one knew that before or better: it wasn't published before.
Meanwhile I got some more information from Bethgem about relatives of hers.
Johnbhoy it's a pity that your team only reached 2nd place. Won't they be allowed to play internationally next season? My team reached 6th place which will allow them to play internationally in the UEFA cup next season.
Best wishes
histres