German Pork Butchers in Britain

[SwissGill]

Trizzie,

I never found them on the 1871 Census and my Mum told me they returned to Germany for a while. Up to now all her "statements" have turned out to be facts.

As Hermann Pfisterer died 1875 and Margaret Fisher (as she now called herself) married an Englishman 1876 and bore him 4 children, must accept that this happened.

Will have a look if I can find anything on Wolperts / Wolf

We may not be related but at least we can probably say our forefathers used the same dwelling!!

Gill

[Bethgem]

Hi

Bradford must have more records of marriages of German immigrants than anywhere. Mine were married in the Parish Church in May 1889. They could have been told to go there for all I know. The history of Bradford might prove interesting. Maybe something was recorded about the Germans living there and in the surrounding areas. Hope this helps in some way. Bethgem

[Trizzie]

Hi all - I checked the Yorkshire Jewry site as mentioned by rbig 10 - I found my Grt grandparents on it and all their children as of 1881.   I know they were married in Bradford in Stott Hill Catholic Church 1870 - I have copy of their cert. I am now quite puzzled.  I don't have a problem with Jewish but I would like to know how this site knew or did they assume that they were Jewish because of the name?  I have emailed the owners of the site but so far no response. By 1881 my Grt Grandfather was no longer a butcher. All children were brought up Cathlolic as was my father, he also had a Catholic father. I don't currently have any information re the family before their marriage.  I suppose they could have adopted the Catholic faith - maybe the answer lies in the Church at Bradford. Trizzie

[Bethgem]

Hi Trizzie, glad you found your Grt Grandparents on that site. My Grandfather's name is there but it is not actually him, as he was not Jewish. I cannot say why yours is there if they were not Jewish, as you have described them, being married in a Catholic Church.
What trade did your Grt Grandfather take up with then, after he was no longer a butcher?
Mr Grandfather remained a butcher all his life. He was in Bradford from 1879 to 1889 when he and his new wife moved to Congleton, Cheshire.
I wish there was a website like that one showing all the German immigrants at that time in those areas, regardless of what religion they were. Anyway, if you sign up on that site would there be more links to research under the family name? I wonder...

[Trizzie]

Hello Bethgem - Definitely my family as all children are listed including my Grandmother and the correct address albeit that Wolpert is spelled Wolport and the address given is Bare Tree Road instead of Beartree!
Joseph is Pork Butcher on marriage cert 1870 Bradford and living in Bradford how long unknown - then on the 1871 census at 8 Bridgegate Rotherham and there is one child born Rotherham.
By 1881 the family is living 96 Beartree Road Parkgate and have several more children born Parkgate. Joseph is working in the local iron works. Believe second child was born 1873ish in Parkgate so how long he remained a butcher is open to question. Parkgate is part of Rotherham so distance not problem. I may be able to find out who had the shop after Wolperts.  Gill's family either had it before or after - I think it was possibly before. My family may well have come from the same part of Germany as Gill's and known each other well.
Someone has mentioned re Jewish butchers being Pork butchers and reasons why etc but as to change of religion I know not!!  My dad and his siblings were very strict Catholics and I assumed this was because of both his parents. I believe Grt Grandparents had Catholic burials - something I need to check out.   
Someone has also mentioned that the BBC should make a programme re German Pork Butchers - I agree - make for interesting and enlightening viewing! Trizzie

[SwissGill]

Trezzie, 

If my ggrandparents went back to Germany, and probably did, then your family probably moved in there from a period of time, say 1868 (birth of second child) to 1871 (census) plus. As I say, I can find absolutely no trace of mine on the 1871 census.

My Ggrandfather died in 1875 in 4, High Street, Mexborough and my Ggrandmother married Robert Wallis of Lincolnshire in 1876 and I found them on the 1881 Census in High Street, Mexborough. She had 4 more children with Robert.

Gill

[Bethgem]

Hi Trizzie

Someone has also mentioned that the BBC should make a programme re German Pork Butchers - I agree - make for interesting and enlightening viewing! Trizzie

Yes, I agree!

You've got a lot of information about your relatives there already. Is there any more research to be done, do you think? What's missing?

As for my relatives, in Germany, I know there are still some branches there.

Did you read that other thread that I gave a link to?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,294729.0.html

Bethgem

[Trizzie]

Hi Gill
I've always assumed that my Grt Grandparents were in Bradford up to their marriage 1870 then came to Rotherham.  Never occurred to me that they or at least Joseph could have been here earlier.  Marriage cert gives addresses in Bradford for both of them! Becomes more complicated each day.  Have a second cousin am in touch with who may know more but up to 18 months ago he didn't appear to do so. Like myself no idea how, why and from where they got here. Another second cousin thought she had found them on a passenger list (must check it again) but that was emigration not immigration and there wasn't a certainty there either.  ???There were quite a few supposedly Wolpert brothers (all Pork butchers) came over here but they went further south - whether or not they were my immediate family I haven't been able to discover. As I said I don't have a problem with Jewish but if someone has put my family on a list as being Jewish I would like to know why. Thankfully Germany did win the last war or my dad and others would probably have been carted off if lists like these were compiled. Still no response from the site owners.    Trizzie

[Trizzie]

Freudian slip in my last post ? Should of course read 'Didn't win the last war'!!!! Trizzie