German Pork Butchers in Britain

[Histres]

Dear Histres,
Thanks so much for this information, is there any mention of John Louis William Schwab's parents? or even his sister?
I think it is likely that more of the family came over too - seeing as at least one other of the JLW Schwab's siblings came.
How do i search the Künzelsau archives?

Best wishes and many thanks,
MeenzHunters

Hello MeenzHunters,
As John Louis William Schwab (in German: Johann Ludwig Wilhelm Schwab) was born in Künzelsau, his parents are registered in the family books of Künzelsau's church archive and so are his siblings. The Church Archive and Künzelau's town archive closely work together. Therefore you may send your enquiry to:
Stadtarchiv Künzelsau, Stadtverwaltung
Stuttgarter Str. 7
D-74653 Künzelsau
Tel.: 0049-7940-129-117
E-mail: stefan.kraut {--at--} kuenzelsau.de 

Best wishes
Histres     



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[Histres]

Dear Histres,
Are you aware of the immigration routes taken by our Pork Butcher ancestors.  Can you tell us more of what the journey would have been like in the 1850s?
Thanks.
Glen

Hello glen_roger,
Most probable the early emigration during the first half of the 19th century and before, took place on foot or by horse-drawn carriages or coaches to a place on the river Rhine, from where the emigrants could enter a boat. Things became better, when in 1841 the Heilbronn Neckar steamship company was founded that offered a regular service between Heilbronn and Mannheim.
From 1842 onwards there was a regular service on the river Rhine to Rotterdam.
So the Hohenlohe emigrants went by carriage to Heilbronn, from there on the river Neckar to Mannheim and from there on the river Rhine to Rotterdam. Sailing boats and steamships then took the emigrants to the ports on England's southern and eastern coast, especially to London and to Hull.
Hull was also very popular for transmigrants who wanted to go on to America and had only to bridge the comparably short distance on land between Hull and Liverpool.
From 1861 on, it is repeatedly reported that the Hohenlohe emigrants could use the newly established railway connections which took them to Hamburg. From there they reached Hull in a 24 hour crossing.

Regards
Histres

[MeenzHunters]

Thanks Histres for all this info, must have been quite some trek!

I have contacted the archives today and i look forwards to their reply - i shall let you all know when i find out more!

best wishes,

MeenzHunters

[johnbhoy]

Hi All

Received a reply from the IRC, confirming that Christian Frederick Wall was indeed a civilian internee during WW1.
He was actually detained in 2 camps, one of them being at Handforth in Cheshire.
The reply also gives a serial number which should be handy for future reference.
Thanks again to Histress for his assistance.
With over 42,000 hits and 280+ posts, there is definitely a big interest out there on our German relatives who came to the UK and went into the butcher trade.
Happy researching to all

Johnbhoy

[0113vanny]

really interested to read history about George Wittmann as I am a descendent of his sister in law, who came over to marry him, presumably from the same area. .   I have found that in 1771 he lived 6/7 Waterworks st, Hull, presumably having just come over.   on that census record his birth place is Württemberg, Runglsaw -  can I find out anymore about this area and its inhabitants?  It may be then that I can trace my great grandmother Rosa Steinbach more.   she was George's sister in law.

[SwissGill]

Good morning,

The place you are looking for is Künzelsau in Baden-Württemberg. It must be one of the most wrongly transcribed places in Baden-Württemberg 

My great grandfather was from Küenzelsau (Kuenzelsau).

I remember doing some research and came across the Wittmans. Someone else mentioned Rosa Steinbach on this thread but at the moment I don't have time to search.

However, I may have time this afternoon or evening.

Until then
Gill

[0113vanny]

thank you.   I think it was probably me who mentioned all this a year ago!   I'm just back onto it again! thank you for the Kunzelsau correction!   How do i find lists of names form there!?!?!

[0113vanny]

sorry, kuenzelsau is it?

[SwissGill]

Künzelsau is the German spelling but on some English sites it is easier to use Kuenzelsau.

However, Künzelsau was the town most of the emigrants put on their application to leave and the actual birth place might be a village under the jurisdiction of the aforementioned.

Histres would be able to help you here but I happen to know he is very busy at the moment. Maybe he will look in over the holidays.

BTW, you mentioned the "1771" census! I realised what you meant was the 1871 census. Just so that others won't be confused.