German Pork Butchers in Britain

[RichardFunk]

Hello I am new to this thread. I have seen it before and not got round to posting, but after reading the last few posts this seems like the time to start. My great grandfather and four of his other siblings left Belsenberg and settled in Sheffield, and one in Manchester. They were the Funks.

However, his wife was from Morsbach, and she was a Kantenwein. She came over with two brothers and three sister, another brother went to America. Neither of her three sisters married, although two had five illegitimate children between them. After reading the previous post I was wondering if my great grandmother and her sisters were the Kantenwein sisters that established a church or if it was someone else from their family.

[Histres]

Welcome to the thread, Richard.

It wasn't the church in Morsbach that was established by the Kantenwein siblings, it was just the stained glass window that they donated.
According to Künzelsau's archivist an inscription says:
" Donated in the year 1907
by the four siblings
Kantenwein in England
in commemoration of their
father L. Kantenwein.

The four siblings were:
Katharine Friederike Rosine *1862, married to Frederick Metz from Hohebach,  pork butcher in Peterborough
Andreas Leonhard Michael *1865, pork butcher in Boston
Johann Friedrich *1868, pork butcher in Boston
Johann Georg Andreas *1870, pork butcher in Boston.

These four were cousins to your great grandmother. Your gg grandfather was Georg Christof Kantenwein (1832-1898), wine grower in Morsbach and his brother Johann Leonhard (1830-1870), wine grower in Morsbach was the mentioned siblings' father.

Best wishes
Histres

[rebew]

Fantastic, Histres, fantastic.

Rebew

[johnbhoy]

Outstanding reply once again Histres 

[Bethgem]

Absolutely brilliant, Histres.
 

[RichardFunk]

Thank you very much Histres. That has answered a few questions for me. It also drew my attention to a branch that we were aware of, but I hadn't really done much research into. It also made me realise that I think have a photo of one of that branch in my great grandmother's photo album and hadn't realised.

[zelo1954]

I also received the following about the Stier & Heyd families at the same time as the Morsbach history - SEE Attachments

Johann Michael Karl Stier is my grandfather
Katharina Rosine Kraemer is probably my grandmother. I know her name was Katharina and my mother's middle name was Rosine.

[RichardFunk]

I think my great grandparents knew John Hertrich, who was a pork butcher in South Shields. I am pretty sure that he was related to the Michael Hertrich that is mentioned in the last texted.

One other thing that I wanted to ask everyone on here was whether they had heard of the Bartelmeh family of Gateshead. I have a postcard from them (c.1900) and I am pretty sure that I have got several photos of them in my great grandmother's album. I was wondering if they were related to my great grandmother so I tried looking for the marriage of Johann Kaspar Leonhard (Leonard) Bartelmeh (c.1860) to Elizabeth Wilhelmina (Minnie) Unknown (c.1867). Their eldest child was born in late 1888 in Sunderland, so my guess would be that they were married shortly before that.

I think if there is a relationship it will be through her, but I need the marriage certificate to tell me what her last name was, and it would also be interesting to see who her father was. Unfortunately I have been unable to find a marriage. I found Leonard's brother's marriage, but that's not much good to me. I think that the 'Bartelmeh' name is probably transcribed wrongly on it (as are all the census records and some other BMDs for the family). I have also looked through the marriages in Sunderland between 1885-8 beginning with 'B' and found nothing that looks like a corruption of Bartelmeh. I have drawn a blank, does anyone have any ideas how I could track down this marriage? Or does anyone have any information about where the family were from? My guess is Belsenberg.

[SwissGill]

Hi Richard,

Leonhard Johann C Bartelmeh was married to Wilhelmine (Minnie) Elizabeth Stolz in 1887, Sunderland.

Leonard Bartelmeh lived at 6 High Street West, Sunderland according to the Historic Directories for Durham.

They are to be found on FindMyPast as no other as "Bartlunch". Living with them is their daughter Florence, born 1899, Albert Shellabrog (Shellenberg) born 1873 (place unidentifiable), Catherine "Stotley"?? and Johanna Wniderlish (Winderlich??) born 1874. The address is the same as the directory (I found them through the address search).

J. Bartelmeh was living at 264 High Street West, Sundeland, according to the Durham Trades Directory but I couldn't find him as yet on FindMyPast-

Charles August Kraft was also had a pork butcher's shop in Sunderland and I have him in my tree.

Maybe I'll find more but tomorrow is another day!!