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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #216 on: Friday 31 December 10 18:09 GMT (UK) »
Histress, your far to modest my freind.

When I started this thread, I did not realise that there were so many people in the UK with German ancestry, infact, I was not even aware of German Pork Butchers. Some of the story's have been heartbreaking but also fascinating at the same time, and with over 10000 views and 215 replies I hope there will be plenty more to come.

Here's to a peaceful New Year to all of you and your families wherever you are

Johnbhoy
Scotland (Helensburgh, Glasgow, Banff, Campbelltown); MacKenzie, McKenzie, Donnachie, Donachie, McClafferty, Fee, Scullion, Cairns, McDonagh, McFinney,Chalmers,Stewart, McAllister

Ireland (Donegal-Rosses, Mullaghduff, Boyle Co Roscommon & other counties); Donachie, Finnigan, McGinley, Brennan, Sharkey, Boyle, Sweenie, Kearns, Balmartin, Martin, McDonald, Irvine

England (Carlisle); Ashbridge,Armstrong, Cavers, Wall, Dixon
England (Blackpool) Hall, Barker
Germany (Hohebach,Württemberg) Wahl

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #217 on: Friday 31 December 10 22:11 GMT (UK) »
Johnbhoy, I concur. Histres is a gem.

I wish everyone a Happy New Year, and I hope we all find what we are looking for!

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #218 on: Tuesday 25 January 11 20:02 GMT (UK) »
This looks like the place to get some advice- can anyone help with this:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,509326.msg3657300.html#msg3657300

Thanks

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #219 on: Tuesday 25 January 11 20:24 GMT (UK) »
All the best for your search Sezuk, have you tried the Anglo German Family History Society?
Scotland (Helensburgh, Glasgow, Banff, Campbelltown); MacKenzie, McKenzie, Donnachie, Donachie, McClafferty, Fee, Scullion, Cairns, McDonagh, McFinney,Chalmers,Stewart, McAllister

Ireland (Donegal-Rosses, Mullaghduff, Boyle Co Roscommon & other counties); Donachie, Finnigan, McGinley, Brennan, Sharkey, Boyle, Sweenie, Kearns, Balmartin, Martin, McDonald, Irvine

England (Carlisle); Ashbridge,Armstrong, Cavers, Wall, Dixon
England (Blackpool) Hall, Barker
Germany (Hohebach,Württemberg) Wahl


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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #220 on: Tuesday 25 January 11 20:28 GMT (UK) »
I received an email today from the ICRC Archives, informing me that they will start researching the Isle of Man POW Internment records in the near future for Christian Frederick..... looking forward to that, I'll give you a shout Histress when I receive a reply

JB
Scotland (Helensburgh, Glasgow, Banff, Campbelltown); MacKenzie, McKenzie, Donnachie, Donachie, McClafferty, Fee, Scullion, Cairns, McDonagh, McFinney,Chalmers,Stewart, McAllister

Ireland (Donegal-Rosses, Mullaghduff, Boyle Co Roscommon & other counties); Donachie, Finnigan, McGinley, Brennan, Sharkey, Boyle, Sweenie, Kearns, Balmartin, Martin, McDonald, Irvine

England (Carlisle); Ashbridge,Armstrong, Cavers, Wall, Dixon
England (Blackpool) Hall, Barker
Germany (Hohebach,Württemberg) Wahl

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #221 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 12:51 GMT (UK) »
I've just read the little paper "New Light on the German Pork Butchers in Britain (1850-1950)" and it is eerily accurate as far as my own maternal grandfather/grandmother are concerned. They were both from Morsbach (the Morsbach on the R.Kocher, needless to say) and their family names were Stier and Heyd respectively. My grandfather was not the eldest inheriting son it seems so he went down the well worn path of school, then leave home at 14 for England. He arrived in 1888 in Sunderland and his younger brother also came a bit later. I remember my mother saying that their shop in Coronation Street (east end of Sunderland) was vandalised a number of times and I also believe he went to the IoM internment camp during WW1. My mother was the younger of their two daughters and she had a much freer life than her older sister who was expected to toe the family line to the exclusion of all else. My grandfather outlived his wife and I well remember the frontroom fireside chats about life by the Kocher. Interestingly I don't ever recall him mentioning Kunzelsau - it was only Morsbach - though he did put the place into German context for me with Heilbronn, Stuttgart, Heidelberg, and the R.Neckar. I never picked up that they had a difficult life in Germany though it is painfully obvious to me that the Hohenlohe is probably regarded even today as a bit of a backwater (to be polite).

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #222 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Welcome, zelo1954. It was interesting reading your first post.

I am not knowledgeable enough about the Hohenlohe area being a bit of a backwater. My relatives are there, though I have not been there myself.

You have come to the right place if you wish to find your relatives. I, and others, have had lots of help. So, I wish you well.

I'll look on a search engine to find that paper you mention. I will be keen to read it myself. Thanks for mentioning it.
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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #223 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 16:11 GMT (UK) »
Good first post zelo, welcome to the thread  ;D
Scotland (Helensburgh, Glasgow, Banff, Campbelltown); MacKenzie, McKenzie, Donnachie, Donachie, McClafferty, Fee, Scullion, Cairns, McDonagh, McFinney,Chalmers,Stewart, McAllister

Ireland (Donegal-Rosses, Mullaghduff, Boyle Co Roscommon & other counties); Donachie, Finnigan, McGinley, Brennan, Sharkey, Boyle, Sweenie, Kearns, Balmartin, Martin, McDonald, Irvine

England (Carlisle); Ashbridge,Armstrong, Cavers, Wall, Dixon
England (Blackpool) Hall, Barker
Germany (Hohebach,Württemberg) Wahl

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #224 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Back in the 1980s we were visited in NZ by a Mr Ickinger from Kunzelsau. We received much background material & photos from him and I reproduce the following. I've tided up the English and made a couple of comments:

Morsbach at this Time

In the year 1883 Morsbach had 398 inhabitants, most of them occupied with farming, which brought a small profit. Nobody became rich. The famine of 1817 and the typhoid epidemic of 1863 (some contradictory information about this) were still in the memory, but everyone had food. Wine-growing was an important industry.

In the town itself were small businesses - butcher, baker, blacksmith, carpenter, cabinetmaker. Some people worked in the small factories of nearby Kunzelsau. "Also pedlars were living there" [I take this to mean street traders who carried their wares around with them].

There was an active emigration movement at that time. The young people mostly went as butchers to England, to America, and even to the southern Pacific [possibly Australia & NZ??]. But older people were also leaving. The connection of the English emigrants to their homeland is evidenced by, for example, a stained-glass window in a church established by the Kantenwein sisters in 1907.

The most exciting event of the period in Morsbach was the suicide of the mayor in 1880. There was evidence of some misappropriation of money and the mayor himself was suspected. It was 40 years later that the thief anonymously confessed [sounds a bit of a tall story to me].

In 1889 the parish church received 2 new bells, the older ones were not working correctly in harmony.

The mill on the Kocher was generating electricity from 1910 and technical progress could be seen by all. In emergencies, the local fire brigade had men with the ability to double up as electricians.

In WW1 Morsbach had to bury some victims - just like any other town.

In March 1933 Hindenburg became an honorary citizen as the Nazism started to spread into the town.