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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #9 on: Monday 10 June 13 03:10 BST (UK) »
KEATING","Maria","M","ALWARD","Nathaniel","","F","","",1855,"2524","","",""

What does it means ??? Maria KEATING married with Nathaniel ALWARD  ???

what the F stands for ?

1855 is the date of marriage I have for Maria and Nathaniel

Hi Gwen
Ron has listed for you some possible marriages of women named MARIA KEATING.

Perhaps you will know by this stage which is the correct person,

He has also given you some births to the various couples.

If you are having difficulty deciphering the listing, someone may be able to type it differently for you.

Sue
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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #10 on: Monday 10 June 13 05:08 BST (UK) »
KEATING","Maria","M","ALWARD","Nathaniel","","F","","",1855,"2524","","",""

What does it means ??? Maria KEATING married with Nathaniel ALWARD  ???

what the F stands for ?

1855 is the date of marriage I have for Maria and Nathaniel

Gwen from online info it would appear that Maria died at Blue Earth, Faribault, Minnesota, USA.  Is this correct?

Cando
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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #11 on: Monday 10 June 13 05:12 BST (UK) »
Perhaps of interest - the BALNAGUITH arrived Portland, Victoria [not Melbourne] and left the following month for Calcutta.  A number of news items on TROVE in the Portland Guardian and Normanby General Advertiser

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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #12 on: Monday 10 June 13 07:12 BST (UK) »
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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #13 on: Monday 10 June 13 12:00 BST (UK) »
I lost a very long reply. The "f" refers to Maria's sex. The Balnaguith did arrive at Portland, but probably came on to Melbourne.  Nathaniel Alward does not appear on entry lists. There was an Ann Alward, who arrived in Victoria as an assisted migrant in 1841. Nathaniel may have been a mariner on the Balnaguih. This might explain the 1855 marriage.
There were no children recorded for this marriage in Victoria.
ALWARD   EDWD   arrived Melbourne on the ship YOUNG AMERICA   in JUL   1860   age 20
John Keating's death does not appear to be in Victorian records??
Ron

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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #14 on: Monday 10 June 13 13:10 BST (UK) »
Gosh lots of assumptions there.

There is no report of the BALNAGUITH arriving in Melbourne in 1855.  The passenger lists at PROV are for immigrants arriving Victoria but not necessarily Melbourne.  Perhaps search for yourself on TROVE for shipping arrivals.

The Argus 27 Aug 1855
CESSATION OF GOVERNMENT EMIGRATION TO
VICTORIA.—The Balnaguith, appointed to sail   from Plymouth for Portland Bay on the 2nd July, will be the last ship dispatched by the Emigration Commissioners to the colony of Victoria, as the funds in their hands will by that time be exhausted ; unless, indeed, any further remittances may arrive from thence.

Arrived 28 Oct 1855 Portland Bay – a number of advertisements for sale of cargo from the BALNAGUITH.

Portland Guardian and Normanby General Advertiser
Shipping Intelligence 19 Nov 1855
SAILED. November.17th.-Balnaguith, for Calcutta in ballast

According to online information this could not possibly be the Maria KEATING on the BALNAGUITH who married Nathaniel ALWARD as she married in Melbourne on 18 Aug 1855 and left with her husband to live in his country of birth where she died Blue Earth, Faribault, Minnesota, USA.  The BALNAGUITH left Plymouth on 22 July 1855 and arrived Portland Bay 28 Oct 1855.

Gwen I suggest if you haven’t received the information from the Assisted Immigrants records at PROV [also a many libraries and genealogy societies etc] that you make an effort to see if there is any further information.

What other information do you have on your John KEATING and his sister Maria KEATING eg parents' names and place of birth.  Another resource simply lists their nationality on the passenger list as Scottish and Irish.

Cando

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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #15 on: Monday 10 June 13 13:30 BST (UK) »
Just in case Nathaniel is your person of interest.

Nathaniel in Melbourne by Oct 1853.

The Argus
15 Oct 1853
Criminal Sessions
The monthly criminal sessions commenced at the Supreme Court…….
39. Nathaniel Alward, shooting at and wounding.

ALWARD Nathaniel.
Parliamentary papers 1854
Melbourne (Victoria)
Parliamentary papers: Police and Penal Department 1854-1863, 1886.
Comment   Prisoner P 8

The Argus 10 Mar 1855
LIST OF UNCLAIMED SHIP LETTERS
11. ALWARD, Nathaniel

The Argus  3 Mar 1856
LIST OF UNCLAIMED SHIP LETTERS
137, 8  ALWARD, Nathaniel

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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 11:08 BST (UK) »
Cando, many of the assumptions in my earlier reply were actually conclusions. The evidence was not provided.  I will accept the assumption that Nathaniel Alward being on the Balnaguith was  an assumption. How could an American get to Melbourne in 1855?  Via NSW, perhaps.  He could also be one of the possibly thousands of migrants, who arrived having paid their own fares prior to 1852.  Victoria has Assisted Migration lists for 1839 to 1871, (Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871 ) and Unassisted migrants from 1852. Victoria was established as a self-governing colony in 1850.   NSW has Assisted migration lists to Port Phillip (Port Phillip, 1839-51 ). However, free settlers were not recorded, or records are not available, without intensive searching of ships’  lists.    Many  American “49ers” arrived in NSW after Hargreaves’ supposed finds, and many people were attracted south by Victoria’s finds, after October, 1851. 
I made the assumption, from the second response, that the lister knew the marriage involved a Nathaniel. ( I note he was in trouble for a shooting incident in 1854 )
Re The Balnaguith and not arriving in Melbourne.  Apparently it was a possibility, according to the following research, but it specifies 1856 and 1857 only.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/shanleyhistory/migration.htm
basically advises that four ships, including Balnaguith,  brought immigrants from Plymouth to Portland Vic.  It also goes on to suggest that on-travelling migrants may have been transported ( 15 Kms ) to Port Fairy, where they were put aboard a coastal trader. There were 231 migrants on the Balnaguith.  I know of three. The Keatings,  Samuel Haslett, who left the ship to work on a property 40 or so kilometres north, near Hamilton, AND the following ......
http://eucalypt.com/Field/persons/person1262.html
About Whelan, Michael Luke
Emigration: 1855-07-14 on board Balnaguith, from Plymouth to Portland 29/10/1855. Book 12 Pg 156
Emigrated to Melbourne (Australia) from Ireland in October 1855 on a ship called Balnaguith (sponsored to work for Mr Winter of Murrindal and married Elizabeth Cox. Elizabeth was the daughter of the Cox family of Mooney Ponds who did not approve of Michael and disowned Elizabeth. Michael and Elizabeth went to live and raise their family (12-16 children) in Buchan, East Gippsland.
However, Murrundal is actually located north of Buchan, 300 kms east of Melbourne and 600 kms from Portland and these were sponsored migrants, with how much money in their pockets??
The Balnaguith was a specially built ship, launched in 1852, designed for passenger travel,  However, when ships got to Australia, how many people were returning to England?  They had to become merchant ships and seek trade goods. It could easily ( despite the prevailing winds, and the Balnaguith was a cutter ) have travelled to Melbourne and returned to Portland to collect trade goods at Portland ( Victoria’s earliest settlement = 1834 )
Is it logical to assume that Nathaniel Alward was a mariner?  No!  However, if it wasn’t for two wayward mariners, who entered Victoria, or Adelaide, in 1854 and 1855, this researcher would not be helping you.  Neither of my great grandfathers exist in records.  My Irish grandfather was found, because he was one of 12 mariners, who jumped ship in Adelaide,  in September, 1855, and spent two months in gaol there, before marrying a 19 year old, who was on his ship. My English ggf’s entry was only found in a hospital record from 1877, although his marriage advised he was here in 1857.
Mary Keatings, the marriages:
"KEATING","Maria","M","TRAVERS","Michael","","F","","",1852,"1324","ROMAN CATHOLIC","ST FRANCIS, MELBOURNE","709"
"KEATING","Maria","M","ALWARD","Nathaniel","","F","","",1855,"2524","","",""
"KEATING","Maria","M","EVANS","John","","F","","",1862,"296","","","" 3 children born at Wood(end?)
"KEATING","Maria","M","BYRNE","Patrick Hugh","","F","","",1863,"3768","","","" ( 9 children born in Collingwood -- became a working class area, just 3 kms north east of Melbourne city.

In my first reply, I referred to the likelihood of John Evans being the marriage your lster wanted, and suggested that this was the most likely, if   they had been sposored “ by an uncle”.

Your correspondent might be interested in the below request, unless it is her own listing.
http://boards.ancestry.com.au/surnames.alward/204/mb.ashx 
Looking for descendants of Nathaniel Alward (1830 - 1908) and Maria Keating (1836 - 1915).They lived in Garden City and Vernon Center Minnesota. They had 9 children:
Marie Louise (1857 Australia) Bellen (1959 Australia), Anne (Libby) (1861 MN);Nathaniel (1863 MN); Sophia (1866 MN); Bertha (1868 MN); Grace (1871, MN); Mabel Constance (1871 MN) and Jessie 1879 MN).
Maria Keating was my grandfather's aunt.


May I point out that this request suggests that this Maria Keating was not the one on the Balnaguith, which you have already suggested.  1836 was John Keating’s birth date -   19 in 1855. Maria was 3 years older.

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Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 12:04 BST (UK) »
Cando,
My apologies for such a quick second response.  I wasn’t going to do any more, as I wanted to get back to my own research. However, I had to solve a problem. 
Death of
 EVANS    Maria   ( parents Keating Wm Dalymple&   Anna HODGES )  aged 69    Rton    1909  12994
However, this Maria Keating may not be your lister’s target either:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dicummings/KeatingWilliamD.htm
8. Maria KEATING, baptised 9.11.1839 to Wm Dalrymple and Hannah Keating at Longford (T.1179)
She married John Evans and had a son Stanley Dalrymple EVANS.
Maria EVANS (nee Keating) died in 1909 aged 68 at Woodend

  this next item may suggest another difficulty for your lister :

BYRNE   Maria Keating    Death    ( Keating Pat   Louisa MERCER )   49   Fitz Sth    1890  ( 1908 )

This looks like the other Maria Keating  ;  area could be Collingwood ?? BUT age 49 is wrong, suggesting Maria would have been John’s younger, not older sister   OR Age is wrong.

If your lister’s Maria Keating married Nathaniel Alward somehow, she could not have been on the Balnaguith.
She may have entered Victoria as Mary Keating.