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elusive marriage
« on: Sunday 20 September 09 21:45 BST (UK) »
hi all

please can anyone offer any help or suggestions for finding a marriage between william herbert thompson and rose caroline louisa foulcer - the first child is born in 1897 in st annes, london and the last in 1914 west ham.

in 1901 census william is listed as born 1873, st giles london, but the 1911 gives him 1873 born liverpool, so without this marriage cert, my search for his background seems futile - both census have occupation as printer

i seem to be going round and round in circles with this one  ???

the name foulcer is often badly transcribed, foulcer/foulser/fowlser/falser/... but i cant even seem to find a thompson marriage with any remotely possible matches.


please help

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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 September 09 22:14 BST (UK) »
Do you have Rose Foulcer on any censuses?  If so, can you give us the references?  If we know where she was living it might narrow the search for the marriage.

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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 September 09 22:35 BST (UK) »
1901  RG13/1603/39/41  - 74 Park Road, East Ham (2 rooms)

William Thompson 26 printer b St Giles
Rose 25 b St Annes
Rose 4 b St Annes
William 2 b St Giles


 
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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 September 09 23:13 BST (UK) »
 the 1911 census should  say how long married to give a clue
have you got the childrens certificates?
MAYBE they didnt marry, he was married before or she was etc etc
the census will only give the info' THEY gave, so not always to be taken as fact,
if you have not already got the childrens birth certificates they MIGHT give a clue


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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 September 09 23:23 BST (UK) »
So theer's a birth for her:

Rose Caroline L Foulcer
    Jun qtr 1876    Westminster (1870-1913) 1a p 464
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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 September 09 23:32 BST (UK) »
Pauline there is a tree on Ancestry with all the info for Rose Caroline Louise Foulcer
so i assume they have that side ;)

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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 September 09 23:39 BST (UK) »
Fiddling with the 1911 index, the year of marriage is 1896.  Not that it will help much if it's all porkies  :D

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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 September 09 23:45 BST (UK) »
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Pauline there is a tree on Ancestry with all the info for Rose Caroline Louise Foulcer

Interestingly they don't have a marriage date for William & Rose either  :D

But - they have 3 of Rose's siblings as James S, Lucy Agnes M and Jessie Ellen and I came across their marriages while I was looking for Rose. 

James Samuel 1900 St Giles
Lucy 1906 and Jessie 1908, both West Ham

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Re: elusive marriage
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 September 09 12:21 BST (UK) »
oh gosh, you lot are so quick replying, i expected to wait days, so thank you for taking an interest.

yes the tree on ancestry is mine and we have the other foulcer siblings pretty much wrapped up.

we have the birth certs for william and roses children and marriage certs for roses siblings.

the 1911 says they have been married 15 years, had 8 children, 7 alive (+2 born after census)
the birthdate for rose is exact as are the childrens, so i am supposing that williams is as well

as there are several williams from liverpool/london i need the marriage to track him down.

The only other clue we have is that rose caroline died in 1936 and it was rumoured that william married again and lost contact with his family from there, i have him on the electoral rolls 1911 up until 1939 and he remained in the same house all the time, but after the war there is no trace of him, we know that half of the park road he lived in was destroyed by ww2 bombing and the electoral rolls confirm that the houses no longer exist.
on his youngest sons enlistment papers, he state william as his father and next of kin, this was 1941 but it says william lives in edmonton, i have checked the rolls but no trace there before or after the war and i have not been able to determine a death entry - we do know for certain that he survived the war and worked in the woolwich arsenal.