Cairo Gang

[corisande]

Shane

I thought he might be the same man, but cannot really tell

The photo was put up on a web site but the person who post it last year appears to no longer haunt that site, and has not replied to my emails.

If/when I track them down, I should be able to get an older photo of the man, which would make comparison easier

[shanew147]

The angle of the faces relative to the camera are very slightly different - but I've highlighted the two difference that look most significant to me ..

 red line - comparison positions of nose and ears

 blue circle - man in the older photo has a more pronounced chin, and the other appears to have a flatter chin and maybe a shadow of a dimple.


Shane

[Oaks and Acorns]

Taking into account the 20 year age difference I think it could be the same guy.

The length to width ratio of the face are about the same.

The older guy looks like he may have had his nose broken at some point by a blow from his left hand side (possibly administered by a right-handed person). This would account for the apparent difference in nose shape.

The upper eye-lids visibly sag during the middle years.

The ear to nose relationship is not easy to determine from a face-on view. The tilt of the head (side-to-side and up-to-down) can make a big difference. Try it in a mirror. The younger guy has a more arrogant pose with the chin thrust out.

It might be an idea to put the two pictures on the Photo Restoration page and see if one of the experts there can super-impose the 2 pictures. That might be better than a side by side comparison.

Dara.

[corisande]

It might be an idea to put the two pictures on the Photo Restoration page and see if one of the experts there can super-impose the 2 pictures. 

Dara - I might try that if I cannot get a "younger " photo of the second man

The problem is that one can only get limited resolution from the "Cairo Gang" photo as there are ten blokes in it, and the individual photo is small and low resolution anyway.

 I will keep plugging away to see if I can get the owner of the second photo to respond

[corisande]

Shane

I see what you mean by relative position of nose and ears, they do look wrong - you sound as if you know about these things.

I have no idea how much difference camera angle can make. Could that explain it or not

[shanew147]

If the head is tilted backwards or forwards it will alter the relative position of nose to ears when viewed from the front - but the faces in both photos look reasonably upright to me... although the older man could have his head tilted down a little bit, which would lower his nose


Shane

[corisande]

Thanks Shane

I have worked on the assumption that if the "Cairo Gang" photo was in fact "F Coy Aux Div" , then the "lead" man in Cairo Gang photo is the man in command of F Coy

The man whose photo I have aged 60 is the man who commanded F Coy at this time.

I will keep plugging away to get a photo of him at the same sort of age.

[corisande]

"Bureau of Military History" "witness statements"

Are these available for purchase anywhere, either CD or book form. I have had a troll round the web, but as far as I can see, the only way to read these statements is to go into NA or the Military Barracks (with an appointment)

Correct or not?

If correct, any difference in what one can read with the Irish Army, or in NA ?

[Oaks and Acorns]

I checked this out a long time ago and at that time you could order them from the NAI @ 2.54 Euro per statement.

Worth an e-mail to find out if they still run this service.

Dara.