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Re: Cairo Gang
« Reply #36 on: Monday 14 June 10 13:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dara

But what I was wanting was to buy the job lot. Like one can get the CD with Special Branch Files.
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« Reply #37 on: Thursday 17 June 10 12:13 BST (UK) »
Let me try another approach with the "Cairo Gang" photo - its on my original post at the start of this thread.

Does anyone recognise the location. It has been suggested that it might be Lower Castle Yard. My knowledge of Lower Castle Yard is not great - only from having wandered though it on a few occasions.

Perhaps someone who knows the area well might be able to say if there was somewhere in Dublin Castle where it might have been taken.
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« Reply #38 on: Saturday 19 June 10 17:57 BST (UK) »
Having got as far as I can with researching the men murdered or escaped, I am looking at the IRA men involved.

If anyone has personal knowledge of people in their family, perhaps they could post it here. There were over 200 men involved, one way or another that morning. The number who carried out the shootings was about 30, the rest were look-outs, getaway drivers, first-aid men, and so on.

I have started to build a list on this web page, but it is early days and most have very little on them. Anything anyone can add from whatever source would be welcomed
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« Reply #39 on: Monday 21 June 10 05:31 BST (UK) »
Great Minds & all that I was going to ask you if you would like me to put a bio of my great uncle Johnny Wilson together for your site, I may be able to get a picture but this will take time.There was a picture of him in full Uniform from the Civil War I know that my family & his family had one,but both seem to have gone missing :(.So it will be a picture of him in later life.
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« Reply #40 on: Monday 21 June 10 07:10 BST (UK) »
Gary

Thanks, that would be really good. I am interested both in his life and what he did on Bloody Sunday. As you can see from my link I am constructing a page on each of them
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« Reply #41 on: Monday 21 June 10 09:11 BST (UK) »
You probably have seen all this but for everyone following this story and anyone looking for another source for relatives in Bloody Sunday,  here's a bit about Ardal O'Hanlon's discoveries on "who do you think you are?"
http://www.rte.ie/tv/whodoyouthinkyouare/s1/outline_ardal-ohanlon.html
It does give a bit of detail about the target.

I'd love to accidentally get locked in that room for a weekend with those Ernie O'Malley interviews.
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« Reply #42 on: Monday 21 June 10 09:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks

It is in interesting example of the problems both with "Who do you think you are" and "history as people want to write it"

Ardal was able to discover that his grandfather's target was a Captain Brian Keenlyside, lodging in Pembroke Street in the centre of Dublin. Keenlyside survived, partly because his wife was in bed with him at the time, and threw her arms around him.

Keenlyside survived, and in fact was not a "target". He was, as the Americans say, "collateral". He happened to appear when he heard shots. He was a regimental officer, not on the list

His grandfather's target was Major Dowling. 4 men were assigned to Dowling, Paddy Flannagan did the shooting, Andy Cooney and Mick O'Hanlon were also there in the room, plus Charlie Dalton who was the intelligence officer.

When you think about it WDYTYA have not the time to really research facts, they need to bang something out for a programme within budget. Though to be fair, Ardal O'Hanlon (such is the price of fame, I have no idea who he is!) may not have wanted the details of the particularly brutal murder of Dowling put out - they are given in Carlie Dalton's O'Malley interview.

They also say there

O'Malley was a former IRA commander who later interviewed more than 400 volunteers as a valuable slice of Irish history. The entire interview notebooks are available to view as computer scans, but Ardal was allowed to handle and read the original hand-written transcript

As far as I know, one cannot buy the scans. Perhaps someone will let me know if I have missed anything there.
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« Reply #43 on: Monday 21 June 10 11:46 BST (UK) »
Ardal is a successful stand up comedian but most famous for his role in C4's " Father Ted" .
His father is a famous Fianna Fail politician. He retired recently as Ceann Comhairle,  Dail Eireann

Its a shame it hasn't turned up on youtube  as I think that link was possibly not well worded.
Ardal did get a bit uneasy about what he was hearing if I remember rightly. He doesn't strike me as the type who would dress it up. He's not overly politically correct.  So maybe the programme did a more accurate job than that summary.
Though I know what you mean about WDYTYA. Sometimes strange things are highlighted disproportionately. And the whole thing is getting a bit over the top. Nobody seems to be related to a labourer or farmer anymore. The American one now is so over done with flashbacks of what they just told you five minutes ago it's hard to watch.
If mankind is still evolving, we are doing our damnest to get dimmer.
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« Reply #44 on: Monday 21 June 10 12:20 BST (UK) »
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Nobody seems to be related to a labourer or farmer anymore

I am - that is my g-g-grandfather on the left here
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