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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« on: Wednesday 16 September 09 02:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Dawn,
            I  wonder if you can  help me as I am trying to research my wife's grandfather , Philip Gibson , born Aug 1870 in London , and  I have found a possible in the 1881 Cencus as being an inmate at Feltham Industrial School ,but have now searched this site but cannot find him ? He is a mystery and disappears in 1891 , possibly army ? as my father in law remembers that his dad was in the Boer War .
            If you do find him can you also check for any other details , ie family history , reasons for entry , when he left etc .
            I would appreciate any help that you can give us as we are in Canada and have to use the web for our searches , but a contact Dale Sullivan from Bristol suggested that you had a good deal of research on Feltham .
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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 September 09 13:51 BST (UK) »
Hi bristolacton

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

The only research I have done is for chatters on here.

The main records that survive for Feltham are the discharge registers. A lot of children at these types of school went into the Army or Navy. There are a couple of miscellaneous general indexes but they are not complete.

I will check the discharge registers for Philip Gibson and see if there is any further information.

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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 January 10 03:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dawn ,
                  Did you have any success in searching for discharge information for Philip Gibson from Feltham ?
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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 January 10 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Have looked at the census and a Philip Gibson is shown on the list of inmates further down the page. He is also shown as being born in Bethnal Green. Taking this into account there is a baptism record for a Philip Gibson dated 18/9/1870 ,Tower  Hamlets, Bethnal Green. Parents are shown as Philip and Mary Ann of 14 Tysea St ? and occ is confectioner. Hope this helps.

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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 January 10 10:57 GMT (UK) »
There would appear to be two more children born to this couple.

Ellen b 27/12    c 4/2/77 St James the Great living at 33 West? St.occ pastry cook
Charles Michael b Feb 29    c 21/3/1880     29 Kingsland Rd   occ Pastry cook.

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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 January 10 04:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Clare ,
                We had found the Cencus but are trying to find where Philip Gibson went after Feltham School , as he disappears by the 1891 Cencus , but could be in the Army ? or  abroad somewhere ? so we are hoping that  the discharge information points us in a good direction .
                  Philip Gibson's past until he arrived in Bristol in 1928 is sketchy at best so we are looking for confirmation

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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 February 10 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello

I live in feltham - just up the road in fact to where the industrial school was.  I dont know about names and dates of inmates etc.  But I do know that a lot of boys were actually shipped off to "Canada" of all places; but most were made to join the army.   Here is some info about the the school

The Feltham Industrial School was also known as the Middlesex Industrial School.  It was founded in 1854 by its own act of parliament and was the first “State” recognised industrial school.  It was a large institutional building, set in 100 acres of land, situated at Bedfont Road, where Feltham Young Offenders is today.  The school also had its own infirmary, workshops, gas factory, residences for the officers and a chapel, lead by a Reverend Leslie. 

It was certified to hold up to 700 boys between the ages of 7 – 14 years and had 52 staff members.  The boys would be sent from all over London.  They would have been given varied sentences, but the majority of boys would stay until they reached 16 years of age.  Boys would be sent to the school for many different reasons, ranging from begging, being in the company of criminals or even for just being an orphan.  Very rarely, would they be sent to the industrial school for committing actual crimes, as a reformatory school would normally be used for that punishment.

Once at the Industrial School, the boys were made to work long hours out on the farms.  They also had to make their own clothes and boots, but they did receive some basic education.  When they had served their sentence, normally at 16 years of age, the boys were licenced out to work; for example, they were made to join the army.  Alternatively, or for younger boys, they would be sent to Canada.  There would be large groups of boys packed off, on a ship to start a new life. This was accomplished with the help of Barnado’s and they were chaperoned by the Reverend Leslie. 

The Feltham Industrial School closed in 1909 and in 1910 the Prison Commission became the new owners, and a year later it re-opened as Feltham Borstal.  Although, during the First World War it was actually used as an internment camp for foreigners, but it finally re-opened as a Borstal in 1919. 


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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 March 10 03:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Julie for the Feltham Background and it is interesting that you note that boys left to join the Army . I think this happened to our ancestor Philip Gibson as he disappears by 1891 Cencus ?

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Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 July 12 12:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Dawn, I have just seen your message up here - I think I have found out that Philip died in Bristol in 1942 ? It was said that at the time he was living with a May, Maise or Maisie Gibson and a Roy ? Do you know anything about these people as I am looking for an Alice May Gibson/Ball & Her Son Roy ? We think she was born about 1894 possibly in London and Roy was born in 1922 in Edmonton Middlesex ?

I also read that Philip may have been in Clutton Somerset and also in Monmouthshire before he went to Bristol ?

Many Thanks - Regards Pat.