Dempsey

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Dathai

While 'tis 'sterling work' that you are doing I think the issue still needs to be resolved as to who exactly were Felix's parents.

Going on the will of Christopher Dempsey ~ Felix IS NOT the son of Michael Dempsey & Mary Kenna.

SO, I think that family need to be 'parked' for a while 'til a suitable Henry / Mary scenario comes up.

MOH please bear in mind that Felix could have been from outside of Dublin City where there are much fewer records to access online.

Felix was born in the infancy of our civil registration so it would appear that his birth wasn't registered ~ many at this time weren't.

It was nearly the 1900's before it became common practice.

Tara

[moh]

Thankyou - yes I have the Michael/Mary Judge details, and in that family in 1816 was another Felix Dempsey.  My main problem is that Joseph, Mary Ann & Felix all give Henry as their father on their marriage certificates - yet when Joseph registered his mother's death the certificate says widow of Michael Dempsey.  Only those 3 children ended up living in Colne, Lancashire, England with their Mother Mary.  They appear in 1881 when Mary & Joseph live together, Mary Ann is in service but no sign Felix.  In 1891 Mary, Mary Ann & Felix live together.  Looks like a problem I cannot solve..!!

[moh]

Mary gives County Meath as her birth place on one census & Cavan on another - the children all quote Dublin.

[taramcdsmall]

Hi MOH

So, the ONLY record that says MICHAEL is the death cert of Mary.

It could have been a mistranscription, misheard.

There DO appear to be much more records with Henry on them.

I'm afraid though that this still doesn't give us the leads that we need.

BTW Did you ever notice if the family were in England as early as the 1871 Census ?

Did you search for a Henry Dempsey death in England ?

Tara

[moh]

No trace 1871 - just re-checked and no other Dempsey's in Colne in 1881.  Also no death for a Henry - I am puzzled why they came to Colne if no other family there.

[taramcdsmall]

Bearing in mind that you don't YET know Mary's maiden name; SHE could have had family there.

BUT that's ALWAYS the million dollar question ~ why did our folks move from one spot to the other ~ 99% of the time it was simply for work.

Tara

[hasta]

A small connection between the HENRY DEMPSEY / MARY KENNA marriage that Tara posted earlier and the Christopher Dempsey extended family.
 
The marriage here
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/3ea4840064491 giving Henry's father as ISAAC DEMPSEY of 47 Mabott St. A search on IG for Isaac Dempsey gives the 1836 birth of HENRY listing one sponsor as 'MARIA ? BURGESS' (looking at the photo of the record this could easily be Maria Burgoyne)

Now, as Dathai noticed earlier the name OWENS crops up a lot on the other records linked to so far - namely a Thomas OWENS and Maria BURGOYNE at the marriage of Christopher and Bridget of Capel St.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/90e35c0092006

and the birth of their son Michael Felix
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7b60370187443

Also when Thomas Owens and Maria Burgoyne marry, one of their witnesses is Isaac Dempsey.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/899bfe0092125
So I am thinking that Christopher (b.1825) and Henry (b. 1836) could be brothers or more likely cousins ?
Only children I see to Henry and Mary are
Ellen 1870 and Isaac 1867.
Doesn't help with the original query but might be worth getting either Ellen or Isac's birth cert to find out the occupation of this Henry.

[taramcdsmall]

I can't find a possible death for Henry in Dublin.

I keep going back to the Henry on the 1901 Census that I posted early. Crazy thought but COULD this be our chap and Mary left him ?

RARE I know.

These Dempseys are certainly intertwined.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Could ISAAC 1867 be Felix and he changed his name ?

Was a death found for this Isaac ?

Tara