looking for savages

[Jackey]

Hello sav10

Yes this is the very same family  .Im married to Hugh Savage's Son   and trying to trace his family
We are hoping to go over to Castlewellan  later in the year so Im trying to get as much information as I can .
Hoping you can help

[sav10]

Are you George Savage's wife then.

[Jackey]

No   Im  Micheal Savage's wife   (his real name Hugh  Micheal)
George is Micheals cousin.
Micheals dad was Hugh  and his Mum was  Maryann(Flemming)

Can I ask who you are ?

[aghadowey]

Recent family details can be discussed by PM (personal message) as we don't allow details of living people posted here.

[TheWhuttle]

A Hugh SAVAGE, Esq. of Ardglass reduced the rent for his lands at Ballylone.
Ditto for the Earl of Annesley who had an estate at Castlewellan.

Ref: The Standard (London, England), Monday, November 22, 1852; Issue 8826
Ref: http://www.lecalehistory.co.uk/lewisC.htm

A search of PRONI's Landed Estates holdings, or through the Registry of Deeds in Dublin, might throw up some SAVAGE names.

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William Le SAUVAGE came across to Ireland in John De COURCY's train in the 12thC.


Not the first "savage" on the island though.
The name "Gael" derives from the earlier "Goedel".
This is a loan word from Welsh "Gwyddel", 'Irishman'.
It has a pejorative meaning (Welsh gwydd, 'wild, savage').

Ref: The Oxford Companion to Irish History, 978-0-19-923483-7  P. 222 Gael

[Jackey]

Thankyou so much for that information
it was really interesting to read

Will take your advice and try the Proni site

[alyson123]

Hi
I wondered if a Mary Savage featured in your family tree? ..... she was my 3xgt grandmother and although I
know she was from County Down Ireland, I have been unable to track her down over the water so to speak!
She was born circa 1835 and married a John Doran probably in C.Down and had 2 children that I know of,:
Elizabeth and John. They moved from Ireland circa late 1860's/ early1870 to Whitehaven and I know they attended St Beghs Catholic Church.
It would be wonderful if we had a connection in some way ...... I have seen Hugh's details as I have been
researching and often wondered.
Kind regards

[Jackey]

Hi alyson

We do have  a Mary Savage in our tree    although she was born a Mary Butler from Stangford County Down  and she married a Hugh Savage  from Castlewellan.
So unfortunatley its not the same family
But you never know they may have been cousins
I can sympathise with you on how hard it is to track  them down over the water.
We live near Whitehaven so if i can be of help in any way let me know .

Newtathis

[TheWhuttle]

Reckon that there might be a tobacco connection.

Whitehaven used to be a major trading port during sailing days.
Many ships from the American Eastern seabord used to land there as their first port of call.
Cargoes (e.g. Virginian tobacco) were then decanted on to smaller boats operating the coastal trade.
One of their destinations was Belfast (where e.g. the leaf tobacco was teased in to usable form).

http://www.thepeerage.com/p547.htm
Family originally form Nottinghamshire, but were then given a connection with Anglesey in Wales.

http://www.ngw.nl/catalogue/tobaccocards/countryseats.htm
Entry 90 for Earl of Annesley in one of Player's tobacco card series.
Also note entry 2 for LASCELLES famly, Earls Harewood - big players in the Carribean, cousins of Royalty.
[One of their lesser, but more honorable, members ended up in the South of Co. Down.]

http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Castlewellan.php
Whiteside, William, landsteward for Earl of Annesley
Greer, G., sub-agent, Annesley office
[Their names might figure in the land deeds.
 Available via LDS microfilms.
 Leases were often for three lives - often grandfather, father & son are mentioned.]