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1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« on: Monday 14 September 09 15:58 BST (UK) »
My mother-in-law would be mortified to find that her gggrandparents were both illegitimate

1855 Marriage cert says
George Illingworth living Chatburn father John Holgate both farmers
Ann Lawson living Sawley father Gabriel Carter Shopkeeper.

Can anyone find these peple in 1841.  I have the bride and groom in 1851 living in Downham

George was born c1822 Grindleton, mother probably Sarah
Ann Lawson born c1824 Sawley

MaryA found me a lot of Holgates in the area but there doesn't seem to be a John who was a farmer.  It could be made up but a John Holgate was a witness.

Thank  you for your help

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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 September 09 16:14 BST (UK) »
Hiya Sylviaann

1841 Laneside House Chatburn Lancs

John Holgate 40 farmer
Sarah Holgate 40
George Holgate 19
Thomas Holgate 11
Richard Holgate 8
Mary Holgate 4

Only Richard and Mary born in county

HO107/Piece 507 Book 1

Also a Christopher Holgate and family a few doors down

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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 September 09 16:20 BST (UK) »
there is a gabriel carter marriage to a mary lawson
date; 27th mar 1830
place; downham,lancs
looks like gabriel done the decent thing 6 years late.
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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 September 09 16:24 BST (UK) »
1841 Sawley Yorkshire all born in county

Gabriel Carter 45 grocer
Mary Carter 45
Ann Carter 18
Sarah Carter 13
John Carter 11
William Carter 9
Margaret Carter 6
Alice Carter 4
Robert Carter 2
Elizabeth Carter 1m

HO107/Piece 1322 Book 1

There is also in 1841 Salford Lancs place of birth all listed N K

Gabriel Carter 24 labourer
Mary Carter 30 winder of cotton
Alice Carter 2

HO107/Piece 585 Book 17

her brother maybe?

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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 September 09 16:29 BST (UK) »
Ignore the other Gabriel his father was William

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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 September 09 16:37 BST (UK) »
Though saying that I suspect that they are related because the name Gabriel seems to get passed down the family

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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 September 09 16:44 BST (UK) »
Does that look as if George Illingworth is down as George Proctor on the census and Ann Lawson is down as Ann Carter. ??

Wonder why they didn't use those names on the marriage cert.  Their daughter Selina married a Proctor and their grandson is called George Illingworth Proctor.  What a mix up.

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Norfolk: Gooch, Loveday, Lake, Betts
Suffolk: Gooch, Crosby, Turner
Hampshire: Laws, Burrows
Kent: Beer
Jersey: Barette, de Gruchy
East London: Middleton, Gower, O'Farrell, Smith, Weston

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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 September 09 16:49 BST (UK) »
Hiya Silviaann

Yes they are under their fathers name I dont think the enumerators were too bothered about being correct

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Re: 1841 census Holgate and Lawson in Lancashire
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 September 09 15:47 BST (UK) »
Sorry for the delay my computer has been down.

This family is very messy.  The trees will not look right. Also I cannot be sure that those fathers are really the fathers.  Will have to find some parish registers.

Can I be very cheeky and ask if you can find George Illingworth, John and Sarah Holgate and Gabriel Carter in the 1851 census.  I was told George was in Chatburn but that is all I have.  I really need the parents places of birth as there are a few on the IGI who could qualify.

Thank you for your help

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Norfolk: Gooch, Loveday, Lake, Betts
Suffolk: Gooch, Crosby, Turner
Hampshire: Laws, Burrows
Kent: Beer
Jersey: Barette, de Gruchy
East London: Middleton, Gower, O'Farrell, Smith, Weston