Nicholas Family

[cjfingland]

Hi there. I understand that Nicholas is a fairly common surname but I am decended from John Moxon Nicholas (b. 17 feb 1800) and was after any information on them. i am underthe impression they were from the Cabridgeshire area.
Cheers Chloe

[bedfordshire boy]

Welcome to Rootschat!

As you say,  Nicholas is a pretty common name, so we really need more information in order to help you. I can't see a John Moxon Nicholas on the IGI so have no idea where to start.

Have you found him in any census? Did he marry - if so when where and to whom? Where were any children born?

Where did you find his birthdate?

David

[bedfordshire boy]

I'm not at all convinced by your online tree.

Starting at the top:

In 1901 Herbert Nicholas age 7 months was with his parents Trew Moxon Nicholas 35 (not just Moxon as you show) and Agnes Annie Nicholas 34 all born Downham, Cambs. Also in the household was a visitor Amelia Sennitt 37 single.

In the 1881 census which you can find on www.familysearch.org, True Moxon Nicholas 15 is in the household of his widowed mother Ann Nicholas 45 b Downham, with her father also in the household, John Moxon 70

Free bmd at www.freebmd.org.uk shows a marriage of Ann Moxon and Trew Nicholas in Ely registration district in the March quarter 1860. If you don't have this marriage certificate you need it to confirm Trew's father's name as there was more than one Trew Nicholas in 1841 who could have married Ann Moxon.*

In 1861 Ann Nicholas 25 was with her husband True aged 31, and in 1841 a Trew Nicholas 11 was with Trew 40 and Rhoda 40

As the Moxon name doesn't seem to come into the Nicholas line until 1860 I have doubts about John Nicholas born 1800 having a middle name Moxon, but more seriously I also doubt that he was a direct ancestor of Herbert Nicholas

I can give you full census details if you need them.

David

* Actually this marriage is on the IGI at www.familysearch.org, on 1 Feb 1860 at Downham, where Ann's father is John, and Trew's father is shown as Trew, which as I suspected above, rather blows your John Moxon Nicholas out of the water

[cjfingland]

Righto. Yep your definately onto something here!! The only information I had on the Nicholas line was what my grandmother had told me so clearly some of what she said was wrong. Hopefully I can sort some of it out

[anneb]

No John Nicholas baptised in Downham in 1800 but  Nicholas and Moxon do seem to be common names in the PRs.

Have you tried the baptism index on the Cambridgeshire Family History site?It's under  "Searchable Databases" and covers the eriod 1801-1837

[bedfordshire boy]

I think John Moxon Nicholas is where Chloe's grandmother went wrong, as I'm not sure that he existed, and if he was born in 1800 is unlikely to show in Cambs FHS Baptism Index 1801-37. Downham baptisms have been extracted onto the IGI up to 1876

Going back from the known to the unknown, which is the only way to go unless you're looking to research someone else's tree:

Herbert Nicholas
Birth Freebmd,  Ely registration district which includes Downham, Dec quarter 1900

1901 census
Main Drove, Downham
Trew Moxon Nicholas head marr 35 Farmer
Agnes Annie Nicholas wife 34
Emily August Nicholas dau 4
Bertha D?orris Nicholas dau 3
John Trew Nicholas son 2
Herbert Nicholas son 7 mths
Amelia Sennit visitor single 37 Living on own means
Sarah Jane Moxon servant single 19 General servant
All born Downham

Freebmd Marriage June quarter 1893 Ely reg district
Trew Moxon Nicholas and Agnes Annie Sennitt

1881 census at www.familysearch.org
Main Drove, Downham
Ann Nicholas head widow 45 b Downham
Emily Nicholas dau 17 b Downham Fen
Trew Moxon Nicholas son 15 b Downham Fen
Herbert J Nicholas son 13 b Downham Fen
John Moxon father widower 70 Annuitant b Downham

Death Freebmd
March quarter 1871 Ely reg district Trew Nicholas age 41

Birth Freebmd
Ely reg district June quarter 1865 Trew Moxon Nicholas. If it were me I'd purchase the certificate to double check on parents' names, given there were other Trews born at the same time

1861 census
Main Drove, Downham
True Nicholas head marr 31 Farmer of 33 acres
Ann Nicholas 25
Next entry
Main Drove, Downham
True Nicholas head marr smudged ?5 Farmer 110 acres
Roday Nicholas wife 70
All born Downham

IGI
Marriage Downham 1 Dec 1860 Trew Nicholas/Ann Moxon Fathers - Trew Nicholas/John Moxon

1851
Fodder Fen, Downham
True Nicholass head marr 56 Farmer 100 acres
Rhode Nicholass wife 58
True Nicholass son unmarr 21 Farm lab
Ruben Forman servant unmarr 14 Farm lab
All b Downham

1841
Main Drove, Downham
Trew Nicholas 40 farmer
Rhoda Nicholas 40
Trew Nicholas 11
Robert Couch 15
All born in Cambs

IGI
Baptism Downham 10 Dec 1829 True Nicholas, son of True and Rhoda Nicholas

IGI
Marriage 10 Dec 1823 Downham - Trew Nicholas/Rhoda Bradfield

IGI
Baptism Downham 22 Jan 1797 True Nicholas son of John and Hannah Nicholas

One thing that's puzzling me is a marriage on 21 Feb 1863 in Downham between Trew Nicholas (father Trew) and Ann Nicholas. I can't work out how this fits in, although in 1881 there's a Trew 40 and Ann 39 living in Downham, but I can't find his baptism c1841.

David

[Galium]

<One thing that's puzzling me is a marriage on 21 Feb 1863 in Downham between Trew Nicholas (father Trew) and Ann Nicholas. I can't work out how this fits in, although in 1881 there's a Trew 40 and Ann 39 living in Downham, but I can't find his baptism c1841.>

Maybe this one?

1841

Downham

Trew Nicholas 20 Ag lab
Mary Nicholas  20
Trew Nicholas  3m

Census ref: Class: HO107/ Piece 77/ Book: 5/ Folio: 4/ Page: 2

There is a December quarter 1839 marriage in Ely district of True Nicholas - possible bride Mary Easy.   (I would have checked Camdex, but it doesn't want to cooperate at the moment).

[anneb]

I can't find the marriage of True and Mary in Downham in 1839. They may have married in another village and Trew jnr may have ben batised there. The first baptism in Downham for a child of True and Mary seems to be Joseph on 28th April 1844.

[cjfingland]

Birth Freebmd
Ely reg district June quarter 1865 Trew Moxon Nicholas. If it were me I'd purchase the certificate to double check on parents' names, given there were other Trews born at the same time




David

Yes there is now a few of these I'd like to get the certificates for do you know how I can get them as i live in Australia?