Thomas Hall of Cronton/Farnworth

[joelhall]

Certainly could be the Martha who married in Warrington.  I've done some searches and have nothing definite yet, but I'll be following that up.

[xtoner]

Going back to Lancs OPC there's a marriage at St Elphin Warrington 27th Sep 1802 of William Haddock and Betty Pritchard. (St Paul's doesn't appear to have been transcribed on that site yet.)

[joelhall]

Ah excellent, that seems to be the correct marriage.

Thanks xtoner 

[dobfarm]

Hi Joel

This LDS submission(Carefull with these) 1805 b Elizabeth Haddock & marriage 1823 Runcorn

1) If she remarried in 1828 Her surname would have been her Husbands name Pendleton (Widow) not Haddock maiden name
 
Elizabeth Haddock   
 Birth:   21 Jul 1805
Halton, Cheshire, England 
 Father:  William Haddock     
 Mother:  Elizabeth Prichard     
 
Marriage
 Spouse:  William Pendleton     
 Marriage:  28 Jul 1823 
  Runcorn, Cheshire, England 
 

[joelhall]

Precisely why I'm confused.  I have the record for this on ancestry ad also her marriage to Thomas Hall, though cannot find another Elizabeth Haddock which 'fits'.

The only possible theories I have are:
Elizabeth was a bigamist (doubtful shed do this in the same place)
Elizabeth and Pendleton divorced, she lost her legal protection which came with marriage, and with it her married name.

To add to the confusion, Thomas Hall and Elizabeth Haddock married in March 1829, their eldest son was baptised in November 1830.  However on the 1841 census, he has a sister, a year older (i.e. born at least 1829).  It seems Peter was born a while before his christening, and so assuming a normal term pregnancy, Elizabeth was most likely pregnant before the marriage.  I've no record of Mary's baptism so cannot be sure of date of birth, however, which fits.

[dobfarm]

Hi Joel

I would check the parish registers around Widnes and Runcorn out first either at the Library or archives. If not LDS family Mormon church Libraries nearest you, order the film, look for another Elizabeth Haddock not in IGI and bearing in mind Family search is only an index to these films.
As for ancestry LDS submissions are only LDS church members doing their 6 generations back to re baptize them open to mis-judgment.
As for Bigamy and divorce! - Divorce was for the rich! as most commoners were too Poor -illiterate even more with sibling and a mother leaving them?.

Bigamy meant a sever whipping! a very unlikely happening!

If there is a William Pendleton death? also did you look for siblings of this 1823 marriage of William and Elizabeth Haddock/Pendleton, and if any are with Elizabeth Hall in the 41/51census in adult age.

William Pendleton death is what you need or another Elizabeth Haddock bapt not in IGI.

Hope this helps


Good hunting and LUCK!

Dobby

[joelhall]

To be fair I have no idea what their social class was nor their financial situation.

The only evidence I currently have is:

marriage of Elizabeth & William
marriage of Elizabeth & Thomas

the missing info I still can't track down is:

death for William
census records for William and Elizabeth
birth records for any other Elizabeth Haddock in Halton, Cheshire

I've also had another idea - where might one obtain a bastardy record?

[joelhall]

I have however found the following record of a christening:

William Pendleton, 6th September 1829, parents William & Elizabeth Pendleton, Halton, Cheshire.

This is where the trail runs cold however.  Bit much of a coincidence to be different Pendletons, but they ever crop up after this.

[dobfarm]

Hi Joel

Yes I can see your problem. Pre 1837 is always hard after all the census info.
There are a few ways of detection.? Social standing- their religion-occupation or trade-Wills-Deeds -Window tax-Relief tax -Poor law> Settlement/Removal order- Tide Housing- Tithe Apportments -Allotment rents-Land tax-Solicitors records-Hearth Tax (1600's). Etc-Etc.

As I said earlier! Only Archive offices or Libraries hold this infomation. Depending on your location of adobe as to and ability to visit these aforesaid places.
MY advice
Rootschat have members who live local to these resources  to look up and may help you but!! you need to find them. So clear your mind of your own ancestry a while!, read posts similar to your own case in rootschat-look for people doing research in Runcorn /Widnes but most the posters who answer and are native of Runcorn. Learn by reading roots chat library-Read LDS Library info on parish register- Brickwalls and other websites Ie any Archive office online learning! info-'Find my past' website as loads of free advice on this!

Sometimes just taking a break from your own ancestry and a fresh approach helps. (Can't see wood for trees etc.)