Charles Buckland marriage - Dallas, Texas 1872

[Skull]

I'm looking for any information on Charles Edward Buckland born in Walworth, Surrey, England in 1846.

He sailed to the States sometime between 1861 and 1871

I believe he married a Maggie E. Brown in Dallas, Texas in 1872. They had a child, Jeremiah Charles Buckland, born in the United States in 1875.

They returned to England shortly after this, and had 2 more children, Edward and Charles T. before Maggie seems to have died giving birth to a third, Archibald in 1881.

Was Maggie from Dallas, and what was Charles Edward Buckland doing so far from home for such a relatively short period?

Does anyone have any information on this please?

Skull

[merjones]

There is only one Maggie Brown in Texas in 1870 that would be the correct age to have married.

1870 Houston, Harris County, Texas

Maggie Brown, born 1848 Ireland living with:

Winnifred Brown, age 56 born Ireland (Mother)
John Brown, age 25 born Ireland (Brother) Clerk in Store

[merjones]

Dallas City Directory 1875

Buckland, C.E.clerk

Dallas City Directory 1878-1879 (3 separate listings)

Charles Buckland (Cade & Buckland) res 311 Main, Dallas, Texas
Thomas Cade (Cade & Buckland) res 311 Main, Dallas, Texas
Cade & Buckland - listing under SALOONS - "St.Elmo" 311 Main

[merjones]

Another possiblity for Maggie Brown:

Margaret J Brown
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Age in 1870: 22
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1870:   Precinct 1, Dallas, Texas

[Skull]

That's great! Thanks very much for this information.

I think Maggie Brown from Ireland is the most likely candidate for Charles's wife.

I wasn't surprised to learn that Charles had a saloon, because his father had a pub in London where Charles grew up.

I don't suppose anyone has any details of the 'St Elmo' saloon? I guess it no longer exists and is now a 30-storey high office block!

Skull

[Kenwyn]

Archibald was the son not of Charles Edward Buckland but of the younger brother Thomas James, and Sarah. This is clear from the 1891 census, where he is aged 10 and living with his parents, and from the fact that his middle name is Sarah's maiden name, Neale. In the 1881 census Archibald appears after Jeremiah, Edward and Charles Thomas simply because the children in the household are listed together by age in descending order. So, Charles Edward Buckland had 3 sons, and it is not clear when he was widowed.

[Skull]

I notice from your message that you state Charles Edward Buckland had 3 sons. In my tree, I have him as having just 2. Have I missed one somewhere?

This is what I have:

1st wife Maggie Brown (1857-1877)
Children:
Claude Jeremiah (1875-?)
Maggie (1877-1879)

2nd wife Elizabeth Harriet Neale (1861 -?)
Children:
Stanley Thomas (1884-1962)
Clair (1885-?)
Daisy Helen (1889-?)
Elsie Grace (1890-1892)
Lily Gladys 1896-?)

Do you have access to my tree on Ancestry?

Skull

[Kenwyn]

I'm confused now. The children you list from Charles Edward's first marriage are very different from the ones you mentioned in your post of 13 Sep 2009. All I had to go on was the 1881 census return, and I was just clarifying that Archibald was the son of Thomas James.

Is it coincidence that the brothers Charles Edward and Thomas James both married women with the surname Neale? Or were the two wives perhaps sisters?

I don't have full ancestry.co.uk membership, so I'm not sure if I can see the tree.

Kenwyn

[Skull]

Much of this information has come from my own research, as well as help through Rootsweb from Texas. However, some of it has been passed onto me via Ancestry by a direct descendant of Stanley Thomas Buckland. Stanley was the son of Charles Edward and Elizabeth Harriet Neale. I'm assuming that the two Neales were sisters. In the 1861 Census for Streatham, Sarah Ann Neale and Elizabeth Harriet Neale are listed as two of 4 daughters born to John and Rachele Neale.

This contact also sent me separate photos of Stanley Thomas, and Stanley's mother Elizabeth Harriet Neale as well as a more recent pic of the location of their laundry business in the Old Kent Road. I haven't yet checked on all the information he has given me, but I shall do so given time. I'll let you know what I discover.

Incidentally, Charles Edward Buckland was running the St Elmo Saloon in Main Street, Dallas at the same time as Doc Holliday had a dental practice close by. No doubt Doc Holliday visited the saloon, but wasn't known to have shot anyone whilst there!

Skull