Ackerman Family in NZ

[bellbird]

Hi fellow Kiwis.  I have been tracing my great grandparents in NZ.  I have them okay, she being of the Ackerman family (Jane Jolliffe Ackerman prior to marrying her husband who liked to be called Thomas (full name John Powell Thomas Grant Webb).  They lived in the Upper Hutt area presumably until he died and Jane moved in with one of her daughters.  I have been told he is  buried in St Johns Trentham Churchyard, it appears to be unmarked, and Janes burial taught me to not take she's not here for granted when other sources say she is.  Palmerston North Cemetery said she wasn't there, but pushing them further in response to a microfiche in Wellington they found her, she's sharing a grave with one of her daughters.  I have found some of their family (all daughters i.e. original family).
However her brother Henry came out to NZ a little later and settled in the Carterton area.  An article in Papers Past tells of an altercation Henry had with Jane while JPTG was halfway across the Hutt River, threatening "to do for her and burn her house down".  Sounds a fiesty guy yet the photos Mum had of him he doesn't give that impression.  I have one photo of him and one of his family  which appears to be a celebration of some sort as there is a large highly decorated cake in the front.  The Ackerman family after that generation seem to have vacated that area and I have been unable to trace descendants of which I hope one would have the same photo of the group and be able to name them for me.    Seems strange for the whole group to disappear.  There are Ackermans on the West Coast of the North Island but I have had no response to a letter drop I did to them.  So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who is a member of Henry's family, who is able to help me.  My Mother's family attended the same school as some of Henry's children it would appear and probably accounts for her mother being left out of Jane's will. - guess she may have been seen as "consorting with the enemy" as the saying goes.  Henry, his wife and one daughter are buried in the Carterton area.  Ackerman family in England were surprised to learn of there being Ackermans in NZ.  Jane and Henry  came from a quite large family and I have been able to trace their births and marriage and children in England and the ship they came out on.  BELLBIRD

[alamar]

Hi Bellbird

There are eight Ackerman's registered on the Palmerston City Councils cemetery database, six of them buried at Ashhurst and two at Kelvin Grove. Worth a look perhaps.

http://www.pncc.govt.nz/ServicesAndFacilities/OnlineServices/CemeteryAndCremationSearch.aspx?CemteryID=1

Alan

[Thamesite2017]

Hi Bellbird
So just wondering what we can specifically look for?

You want Henry's family
Do you have all the children, just looking at NZSG index and the school records. Alice, Mary Jane, Elizabeth Carterton school

Then there are later ones with HEnry Ackerman father at Wellington, is this a son?

Bye
Althea

[bellbird]

Morning folks,  Alan I am looking at the P.N. Cemetery records for Ackermans you suggested, still don't know if they were mine and who they'd be in the photo.  Don't know who of the married ones (children in photo) is family and who are in-laws, even how many children Henry and Susan had.  Alice in Althea's list is buried in the same cemetery as Henry and Susan (parents) so obviously remained a spinster, maybe she was kept home to look after the parents.   Henry in Wellington sounds like a son named after Daddy.  Maybe if it is possible to find Henry's death notice it might well list the children but don't think he is well enough off to be of note.  It wouldn't help with the naming of people in the photo.  The research lady in Carterton area knows of a lady in Wellngton that she knows comes from an Ackerman family and is fairly certain is connected to Henry's family but the lady hasn't replied to numerous attempts to contact her.  Will have to try and get some time off work, (difficult when freight keeps flowing in and has to be delivered same day) and get into the central library and browse through  the electoral rolls for Carterton area. As I've said Mum's family had contact with Henry living in same area but being of a different generation the children's ages must be vastly different, I guess.  Thanks for your help.  Lyn

[Lucy2]

However her brother Henry came out to NZ a little later and settled in the Carterton area.

The Ackerman family after that generation seem to have vacated that area and I have been unable to trace descendants

Hi Bellbird

Is it the descendants of Henry ACKERMAN that you are seeking ?

[It's rather difficult from the information provided so far, to determine exactly what is wanted ?   You haven't mentioned any dates at all ... and that doesn't help us, in helping you.]

Okay   ... I gather from another of your threads (re: ACKERMAN) that you haven't as yet worked out who the children of Henry and Susan were, nor have you found their arrival in NZ ?

This might help  > >

Colonial Nominated Families and Children aboard the "Zealandia" :   Departed London 17 July 1879 - Arrived Wellington NZ - 17 October 1879 :

AKERMAN(n)  (sic)  *

Henry     (38)    Dorset    -  Farm Labourer    (3052) **
Susan    (36)
William  (14)
Elizabeth  (12)
Mary  (10)
Alice  (7)
John  (4)
Charles  (1 year)
  ---------------------------------------------------

*    AKERMANN  (Either writtten incorrectly on the manifest - or the transcriber of the list, has had difficulty in deciphering the name ? )

** (3052)  I think this number may relate to a "promissory note" (for passage monies) signed before the journey commenced ?

Lu

[Lucy2]

Adding approx. birth years (for reference to some further information to follow) :

ACKERMAN family

Henry  -  38    (born circa  1841)  Actual :  1838
Susan  -  36    (bc  1843)
William  -  14   (bc   1865)
Elizabeth  - 12 (bc   1867)
Mary - 10  (bc   1869)
Alice   -  7  (bc   1872)
John -  4    (bc   1875)
Charles  1 year  (bc   1878)

Henry's age is given on the passenger list as 38 - bc 1841 - though he was apparently born in 1838.   (It wasn't at all unusual for men "to tweak their ages" on their emigration papers.)

[Lucy2]

Then there are later ones with HEnry Ackerman father at Wellington, is this a son?

  Henry in Wellington sounds like a son named after Daddy.

The "Henry ACKERMAN in Wellington" was not the son of Henry (from Carterton).

The Wellington man was "Henry Emil ACKERMAN" (who had a troubled wife named Susannah ... and numerous children).
Henry Emil ACKERMAN was born circa 1852 - he died in 1930).

[Lucy2]

Children of Henry and Susan ACKERMAN

There's quite a bit of information to come, for the children.   I haven't looked too closely for their births on FREE BMD - a "William George ACKERMAN - BIRTHS - JUN - 1865 - registered Bridport" seemed a likely son ?   I'll start though, with the daughters.

NZ Marriage Index

Mary Jane ACKERMAN - John James GRAVESTOCK - 1895

Deaths

Mary Jane GRAVESTOCK - died 12 May 1958 - aged 88 years (bc 1870)

Buried Clareville Cemetery, Carterton - Plot 397 - C of E

Husband John James GRAVESTOCK d. 1938,  in an adjacent plot at Clareville.

NZ Birth Index

1898 - GRAVESTOCK - Vivian Roy
Parents :   Mary Jane and John James

[Lucy2]

NZ Marriage Index

Vivian Roy GRAVESTOCK - Zoe Thorpe MANNING - 1924

Palmerston North Cemeteries database

GRAVESTOCK - Vivian Roy - d. 1981 - 82 years

NZ Death Index

1981 - GRAVESTOOCK - Vivian Roy - d.o.b. 22 January 1898

1992 - GRAVESTOCK - Zoe Thorpe - d.o.b. 10 July 1897
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