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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 10:53 BST (UK) »
Dear Kerry,

Thank you so much for your brilliant help!
This is a real step forward!
I was sure his mother's name must be Ann as he names his second daughter Ann, and that is often how it is done.
So this is almost certainly his parent's m record.

John himself m. Henrietta at St Paul's C of E Deptford, Kent in August 1834.

On the 1841 Census there is a James Oliver aged 15 living with John and Henrietta and their 3 children in Bromley Kent.

I have often thought that if I could find this James' birth record it might lead to John's, as they are probably brothers, but James is a good few years younger than John.

My grandfather told me that our Oliver family was from the Scilly Isles where they had the dubious history, along with other, of luring ships on to the rocks by giving them false lighting signals, so they could collect the stuff from the wrecks!
My grandfather  was very upset by this information as a child and told my mother about it.
But I do not know in which generation they left Scilly.
I have not been able to identify them there, although there are Olivers on the Islands, and they do use the name John.
I have only checked out births in the 1809 time span, but 'my' John Oliver seems to have had a father called John also if I can make this assumption, so I could check out that generation also.

Thank you again for your time.
Best wishes,
Annette

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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 10:57 BST (UK) »
Dear Kerry,

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Is it possible for you to email me copies of the marriage record of John and Ann and the birth records of their children?

It would be fantastic to have them.

Yours,
Annette

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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 15:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette

Unfortunately the CD I have simply has a typed list of all baptisms and marriages not the originals entries which would be on microfiche at ESRO. 

I'm intrigued to see whether there is any link between the Mayfield Olivers and the Heathfield Olivers so when I'm a little less busy at the end of the week I shall see what more I can find, ie John senior's baptism and any more children including a James born about 1820 ish.

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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 17:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry,

What is the ERSO, and could I see it if I go to the Genealogical Soc HQ?

Also, I suppose if my Oliver family comes from Scilly, the original Oliver to turn up in Sussex might be the one who left the Scilly Isles.
 So is it at all clear who is the 'first' Oliver recorded in Mayfield/Heathfield?

Annette


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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 18:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette

ESRO - East Sussex Record Offices. 

I'm not sure who was the first Oliver in Mayfield or Heathfield, the line I have turned up in Heathfield in the middle/late 1600s, I have traced my line back to Sedlescombe in the early 1500s.  The Mayfield line might be totally unconnected from the Heathfield line, it is a common surname. 

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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 September 09 14:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette

After searching what is available currently on the SFHG baptism database and also my Mayfield disc the most likely possibility for John's baptism is the following:

John Olive baptised on 27 June 1763 to Robert and Hannah Olive at Mayfield
(he does marry quite late on though at 33!)

Robert Olive married Hannah Caley on 8 July 1753 at Mayfield, both of this parish and by licence

Robert Olive was buried at Mayfield in 1807 at age of 86

therefore it would seem his most likely baptism

Robert Olive baptised on 7 March 1721 at Buxted to William and Mary Olive

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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 September 09 18:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry,

Thank you so much for searching for me, unfortunately we have lots of confirmation as to his birth date in 1809, so this probably is not it.

Many thanks anyway.
It is good to establish that there is a tribe of Olivers in Mayfield.

Best wishes,
Annette

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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 September 09 07:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette

This is John Oliver who married Ann Jenner in 1796, possible parents of John Oliver born 1809  ;D ;)

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Re: John Oliver birth 1809 Mayfield look up request for his birth record
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 26 September 09 18:04 BST (UK) »
I see.

I will think about it.

Many thanks,
Annette