Johnson budden 1800-1900

[lostreels]

hi there

I am looking for decendents, ancestors and hopefully photos on  Harry Johnson born circa 1862 (portsmouth) and his wife Jane Budden b circa 1866 (folkestone)

any help will be gratefully recieved

M

[Ecneps]

Hello M

I don't know what information you already have on this couple.  Would you like to say if you have any census informaton for them, and which years,  to save us looking up information you already have?  I guess you have seen a census to get their approximate birth years and birthplaces.  Have you seen the family on the 1901 census and want to go back from there?

Marriage registration:
GRO reference Sep Quarter  1882 Southampton    2c   7
BUDDEN    Jane Marion         JOHNSON    Harry   

Birth registration:
Dec Quarter 1865 Elham    2a   810    BUDDEN  Jane Marian        

possible birth reg for Harry (there are several but this one looks most likely)
Mar 1862  Portsea    2b   371         JOHNSON    Harry


Barbara        

[lostreels]

hi there

thank you so much for this, I have not seen the 1901 census, but they had a son circa 1893 called George johnson

best

Matt

[Ecneps]

Hi Matt

1901 census  RG13 Piece 996 Folio 86 Page 12
6 Cresswell Street, Portsmouth

JOHNSON
Harry       head  39 Boilermaker Dockyard   Portsmouth Hants
Jane M    wife   35                Folkstone Kent
Harry C      son    15 Errand Boy   Woolstone Hants
Annie E     dau    14 At home    Portsmouth Hants
Albert      son     11                  Jarrow-on-Tyne Durham
George       "        8                   Portsmouth Hants
Frederick W son  5                          "
Ivy              dau    1                           "
   
 
In Wales in 1891
1891 census  RG12  Piece 4533  Folio 48  Page 19   
16, Jubilee Terrace, Steynton, Milford, Pembrokeshire

JOHNSON
Henry  head  29  Boiler Maker     Portsmouth  Hampshire
Jane M  wife  25       Folkestone Kent
Nellie J  dau    7 Scholar     Woolston  Hampshire
Harry C son    5                        "   
Annie E  dau   4                 Portsmouth Hampshire
Albert    son    1                Jarrow Durham


Barbara 

[Ecneps]

I see from your other post on the Iversons that you already know Jane's parents were Charles Budden & Lydia Iverson http://www.rootschat.com/links/072s/

These are the 1881 censuses for the Budden family, you can see them free here:

Jane  -  1881 census RG11 Piece 1214 Folio 35 Page 22 http://www.rootschat.com/links/072q/

Charles & Lydia:  - 1881 census RG1 Piece 1217 Folio 49 Page 36 http://www.rootschat.com/links/072r/

1871 census  RG10 Piece 1022 Folio 42 Page 3
Great Stone Coastguard Station, Lydd, Kent
BUDDEN
Charles     head 36 Commissd. Boatman Coast Guard  Hants Lymington
Lydia      wife  33                 Kent Folkstone
Richard      son    7  Scholar           "
Jane M      dau    5      "                 "
Amelia C     "      3      "         Kent Sandgate
Charles       son   1                          "
   
Will have a look for Harry Johnson in 1881 census and earlier, but as it's a common name you would probably need to get Harry & Jane's marriage certificate to confirm Harry's father's name and occupation

Barbara

[Ecneps]

1861 census RG9 Piece 4439 Folio 168 Page 10
at sea on vessel Diadem

Charles Budden   Lg. Seaman single age 25 & 10 months  Lymington Hants

I looked at the enumeration page, and it gives the following information:
Royal Navy ship "The Diadem" -  32 guns - Captain - James H Cockburn Esq.
At sea Lat. N 48.29  Long. W 6.40 North Atlantic


To get further back you will again need his marriage cert to find his father's name
Mar 1863 Elham    2a   977
BUDDEN    Charles      IVERSON    Lydia


Barbara

[Ecneps]

I think this is probably Charles in 1841 as he is in Boldre which was given as his birthplace in 1881 census, and is only 2 miles from Lymington which he gives as his birthplace elsewhere

1841 census HO107 Piece 393 Book 8 Folio 28  Page 17
Beaulieu Rails, Boldre, Hampshire

BUDDEN
James     40  Ag Lab
Jane    40
Jane    15
James      13
George     11
Samuel     9
Charles   7
William   5
David  1 day
all born in Hampshire -
note - no relationships shown in 1841 and adult ages rounded down to nearest 5 years


If that's the right family, then here they are in 1851, but Charles is not at home - at 15 he may already have gone to sea, can't see him in the census

1851 census  HO107  Piece 1666 Folio 142 Page 3
Beaulieu Rails, Boldre, Hampshire

BUDDEN
James     head mar 51 Ag Lab
Jane       wife    "    46
Fanny      dau  unm 23 Ag Lab
William     son         12     "
Thomas       "            10 Scholar
Sarah      dau          8      "
Charlotte dau          5      "
Elias     son          2
all born Boldre

[Ecneps]

Later census for Charles & Lydia:

1891 census  RG12  Piece 922  Folio 81 Page 28
Sebastopol Cottages, Woolston, St. Mary Extra, Hampshire
BUDDEN
Charles   head 56 Labourer in Shipyard   East End, Hampshire
Lydia      wife 53                                 Kent Folkestone
George      son  13 Scholar                   Woolston Hampshire
Frank        "     11     "                                "
Harry        "       8       "                                "
   

1901 census  RG13 Piece1062 Folio 70 Page 12
18 St. John's Road, Woolston St. Mary Extra, Hampshire
BUDDEN
Charles      66 Naval Pensioner   Hants Boldre
Lydia      62                          Kent Folkestone
George      23 Labourer Shipyard    Woolston Hants
Harry      18 Apprentice Fitter Engine    "
   
 
Barbara

[Ecneps]

Will have a look for Harry Johnson in 1881 census and earlier, but as it's a common name you would probably need to get Harry & Jane's marriage certificate to confirm Harry's father's name and occupation

Here's the Harry/Henry that looks most likely in 1881 going by his occupation. In later census he was a boilermaker, so I expected to find him as an apprentice in 1881, however this one is a Ship's rivetter, and should tie in as this description from http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/b2.html shows:
Boilermakers: This is a description from a current trade site and is just as applicable to our ancestors, with alowances made for modern industry. The original occupation stemmed from making - boilers (!) and they were rivetted together, so the boilermakers were also rivetters.

1881 census RG11 Piece 1208 Folio 136 Page 51
http://www.rootschat.com/links/072v/
unfortunately not with his family so no confirmation of parents, but there is a George Johnson also lodging there, possibly his brother, so will look for the two of them together in 1871